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Mar 26, 2013 21:00:18 GMT
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Hello, I'm after some advice on decambering leaf springs. Ive read a few topics on here, and found the press idea. Which looks like the way forward. But I have a few questions. In the posts I have read, it only shows decambering the main spring. Do you need to do the same process to the other 2 or 3 leaves? Or do you leave them alone? Or turn them.the other way up? Any more advice would be magic. Thanks
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Bufort
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Mar 26, 2013 22:27:44 GMT
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forgive my stupidity, but what exactly is decambering leaf springs? i understand camber on wheels, and i have leaf springs on my car, but they arent angled.
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Mar 26, 2013 22:41:35 GMT
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forgive my stupidity, but what exactly is decambering leaf springs? I understand camber on wheels, and I have leaf springs on my car, but they arent angled. Decambering a rear spring is where you reduce the arc of the spring using a fly press thus lowering the rear of the car I've a pair on my car along with lowering blocks making it nice and low ;-)
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1980escort - are you running multi springs? If so, have all the leaves been decambered?
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Clement
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Mar 27, 2013 14:59:06 GMT
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I've read first-hand knowledge that decambered leaves can induce axle tramp, true/false/else?
I wanted to go for decambered leaves to minimize axle movement (compared to lowering blocks), but it seems lowering blocks are actually a better way to do it... I'm puzzled.
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Seth
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Mar 27, 2013 20:23:58 GMT
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My experience was that all the leaves needed re-arching to reasonably match the new shape of the main leaf. Reassembling the spring before doing this resulted in the shorter leaves just pulling the main leaf back into the original shape. It may depend on the original design of the leaves though. froggy, I don't know why that would be the case unless the new 'length' of the spring has an effect. Since the arch is flattened the distance between the eyes does increase and so the shackle angle will change. Perhaps if done to the extreme this causes a problem with location? As you say, I'd expect greater problems with excessive lowering blocks which provide greater leverage for the wheels to 'wind up' the leaves.
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Last Edit: Mar 27, 2013 20:27:11 GMT by Seth
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Mar 27, 2013 20:38:03 GMT
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1980escort - are you running multi springs? If so, have all the leaves been decambered? I've got single leaf springs mate. I don't know anything about decambering rear springs causing axle tramp but you could always fit anti tramp bars to counter this problem if it does, mind you I've got anti tramp bars and a panhard rod on my axle and it still tramps but them again I do like to give it a bit of stick now and again ;-)
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Dez
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Decambering leaf springsDez
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Mar 27, 2013 20:54:24 GMT
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tuning leaf springs is a lot more sophisticated job than most people give it credit for. it seems people think old tech.=stupidly simple, which isnt really so.
theres quite a few things to consider before you start jumping up and down on them in a press to get your leaf-spring ride lower.
first, not all leaf springs can be decambered. the majority or problems of tramp and weird handling come from springs becoming negitively cambered. given a lot of leaves sit nigh on flat to start with when laden (irrispective of how curved they look when sat on the workbench) it means you cant really flatten em out much, if it all, without it ruining the handling.
secondly, making a leaf spring flatter effectively softens it. the more curved it is to start with, the more you soften it by flattening it out. I will often add leafs to a spring pack to compensate for this.
if you are decambering, you should do all leaves accordingly, otherwise you will have conflicting spring rates within a pack which will make the suspension feel 'notchy' in use. it will also wildly effect ride height, it wont give a 'true' drop.
another big cause of tramp and driveline vibration/noises is incorrect pinion nose angle, you can manage to curse word this up with either blocks or decambering, but 99% of people who do either simply don't bother checking if theyve adversely effected it.
likewise, how many people change their shocks to alter their new spring rate and lower ride height, and depending on how its been achieved, shorter shock stroke. few to none.....
the best combination of lowing for most leaf spring cars is a combination of blocks and decambering, not one or the other exclusively.
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Last Edit: Mar 27, 2013 20:56:39 GMT by Dez
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Mar 31, 2013 18:42:44 GMT
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reverse the eyes?
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