bobz
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After reading through the 505 thread I had an idea  ...... My first car was a Talbot Horizon ;D and I always thought it would be a good idea to fit a Pug' GTi engine into one. What do you recon?  There've been lot of SE's over the years inc a Turbo one for the French market. And of coarse the US versions, the Plymouth Horizon Dodge Omni.  The Omni is quite a cult car in the good'ol US of A. The best one being the Shelby (Yes THAT Carol Shelby!) GLHS Turbo. A 2.2 Turbo charged beasty (Later ones were a 2.5 T) with 200+ HP!  incedentally, The GLH stands for 'GOES LIKE HELL. SHELBY' Well named I think you'll agree  |
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Don't plan anything, it'll start raining!
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Follow that dream!!!
Never driven a Horizon, but seem to remember someone saying they handled pretty well, but were held back by that Simca bucket-o-bolts engine.
As the saying goes....'Dare to be Different' :-)
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Basicly the same as the 205 IIRC so should be quite easy Its got to be done ;D
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Neil
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DO IT!!! Become a Hero!  ;D |
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Just had an idea.............Mi16 ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Just had an idea.............Mi16 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 205gti sounds like a plan. cheap and plentiful, shoestring sleeper  |
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bobz
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I'd love to..... have to find one first tho Daft thing with the Euro Horizons is that they use front torsion beam suspension, the US one use good ol' Macy struts. How would you upgrade torsion beams? Ot is it just , turn it back a spline (like 205 rears) and fit firmer shocks, or can more be done? |
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Don't plan anything, it'll start raining!
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slater
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Instant win! get to it.
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RetroMat
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Column Shifting!
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great idea, i muchly approve |
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archieboy
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Go be the first!! Excellent idea ;D
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Probably easier to import an Omni and fit Horizon trim...
I saw on in the US last I was there. Not common cars there.
A GLH would rule. I know a guy who seems to have a line on FWD Shelby stuff if you go that route.
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My mate had one as his first car in beige. It slow slowly fell apart, bit actually dropped off! Anyway GLH sounds like a beast, DO IT  |
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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Shortcut
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Talbot Horizon was the base car for the 309, which was going to be badges a Talbot until Peugeot binned the marque in the UK so yes the GTi motor should go in... eventually. The 309 used a lot of the engineering from the revised 205's as well, which were quite different from the earlier cars, which used the old XY engine and were more closely based on the older 104 and Horizon platforms.
The Citroen Visa makes a useful halfway house as it uses the 104 bodyshell with the newer subframes etc.
I'd gues you'de need to gather together a Horizon (shell), a 205 GTi (engine) and a Visa diesel (gubbins).
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This space available to rent. Reach literally dozens of people. Cheap rates!
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Picking up from what Shortcut says, why not do one with a later TD engine? They did do a diesel version as standard IIRC.
That Sherlock limited edition is wondrous!
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том
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Do 309's have torsion bar or McPherson front suspension?
I've been asking myself some similar questions about this, as i'm getting to a 'now or never' moment for the Talbot Alpine in my dads garage.
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309s have both from memory! Torsion bar on the back and I think McP struts up front.
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Padz
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Got to be done, and beige too! |
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Slight confusion over sunbeam and horizon. Thought they were the same...?
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"The Chrysler Sunbeam was a small supermini 3-door hatchback manufactured by Chrysler Europe at the former Rootes Group factory in Linwood in Scotland. The Sunbeam's development was funded by a British government grant with the aim to keep the Linwood plant running, and the small car was based on the larger Hillman Avenger also manufactured there. After the takeover of Chrysler's European operations by PSA, the model was renamed Talbot Sunbeam and continued in production for some time. A Talbot Sunbeam Lotus version was successful in rallying and won the World Rally Championship for Talbot in 1981."
"The Horizon was a small family car (subcompact) hatchback automobile, designed by the French Simca division of Chrysler in the 1970's and introduced in 1977. It survived in various guises until 1990; in France it was sold originally under Simca brand, whilst elsewhere in Europe it was badged as a Chrysler. As a result of the acquisition of Chrysler's European car division by Peugeot in 1978, both the Chrysler and Simca brands were dropped and from 1979 onwards, the car was sold under the Talbot brand in all European countries.
The Horizon, or Project C2 as it was known inside Simca during development, was intended to be a "world car", meaning that it was designed for consumers on both sides of the Atlantic, but in execution, the European and North American versions of the vehicle actually turned out to have very little in common.
Born largely out of the need to replace the ageing Simca 1100, the Horizon was essentially a shortened version of the larger Alpine model, giving the vehicle an unusually wide track for its length. Featuring the familiar range of Simca-designed 1.1, 1.3 and 1.5 L OHV engines, and torsion-bar suspension, the Horizon gained praise for its crisp styling, supple ride, and competent handling. It was voted European Car of the Year in 1978. Its launch saw to the end of the 1100 and the rear-engined Simca 1000.
The North American versions of the Horizon were known as the Dodge Omni and Plymouth Horizon. Although they appeared to share the same external panelwork as the European Horizon (the panels were in fact not interchangeable), they were vastly different mechanically - using a larger engine (of VW origins) and MacPherson strut suspension at the front instead of the more complex torsion bar arrangement. They also sported much heavier looking bumpers so as to comply with stricter US safety legislation. Despite the car's European origins, then Chrysler chairman Lee Iacocca played this down, claiming that features such as the trip computer and electronic ignition were of American design.
In Europe, the Horizon had a turbulent existence. The collapse of Chrysler Europe in 1978 and its subsequent sale to Peugeot meant that the car was hurriedly rebadged using the exhumed Talbot brand for the remainder of its life.
In 1981, the 'Series II' models were introduced, with some minor improvements. By then however, the Horizon was becoming increasingly uncompetitive next to rivals such as the Volkswagen Golf, Opel Kadett-D/Astra and the third generation Ford Escort. The rattly and unrefined ohv engines which had been carried over from the Simca 1100 were largely to blame, while body corrosion was a serious issue, at least until 'Series II', giving many cars a short service life.
The main production lines of Talbot Horizon were Poissy factory in France and Ryton in England. It was also manufactured in Spain and in Finland by Saab-Valmet from 1979 onwards. The Finnish Talbot Horizons integrated many Saab components, especially in the interior.
The Horizon was produced in Europe until 1985 (in Spain and Finland until 1987), when it was replaced by the Peugeot 309, a car developed in the UK, originally destined to be sold as the Talbot Arizona. Within a few months of Talbot Horizon production finishing, production of Talbot-badged passenger cars ended. However, the American version of the car continued to be produced until 1990.
The 1905 cc diesel engine fitted to certain models of the Horizon was the first to be specifically designed for use in a car. Previously, diesel cars had modified van engines fitted.
The Peugeot 309 used much of the Horizon's drivetrain and body parts."
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