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I'm planning on buying a 2ltr pinto tomorow to put in the lada, i have already the ford box in the car mated to the lada engine, so bell housing change is all that is needed really.
I have already bought a linx manifold and already have a single 45....
How do you mod the engines, i mean, much work to do in the head? WHat rods etc are good for about 150 bhp, and how much torque will i get with what cam?
the car is a road rally car!
thanks!
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apparently with a pinto.....
there is alot to be had from headwork! I know your favourite white RS had a dave brookes head on it, the bottom end was standard but with the block decked, split 48s and a fairly big cam in it and that made 176bhp and 170lb/ft
if you need to know owt else av, you know where to find me
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I think the general opinion is that the only option for a Lada is a Fiat Lampredi twin-cam, not some rattly, low-tech, boat-anchor, Pinto.
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thing is with road rallying, you can only run a twin cam if the engine was originally on injection and you have to retain the standard penum and throttle body
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les509
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Best thing to have is a 205 sierra block (that number is cast on the side of the block), injection rods are ample for 150 bhp, the heads have pretty big valves so most benefits are gained with twin 45s and above. RL32 cam is good for drivability, simple things like binning the fan and going eleccy, decent four branch manifold are a good start, don't bother putting a cam in without a vernier pulley as these are proper sensitive to cam timing, use a decent rolling road to set it up. Buy Vizards book on tuning the Pinto.
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Also had experiences of v. little gains from lynx single manifolds - sorry, just my opinion  |
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There is so much to say, ie 205 block vs 2.0, injector heads, big valve etc, but I suspect most of it to be balls...
Get the Burton catalogue, there's loads of gen on all ford lumps at the beginning, its a cracking read even if you don't buy anything. They say for example, the stock bottom end will take a 50% increase in power, soo 100hp standard + 50= 150bhp on stock rods. They wont rev past 6500 without work though!
Tuning the SOCH Pinto engine by David Vizard is THE pinto tuning book, BUT it's 20 years out of date and things move on....good history lesson.
Ask on any ford forum, you'll get 1000 contradictory opinions.
My rr setup tho, 205 block with 2.0 crank and rods (lighter/stronger), Standard head (valves are big enough fo already, its a good design!) Kent RL32 cam, 4 branch and weber DGAS, Sierra electronic ignition. Am moving to sierra EFi manifold with megasquirt and EDIS ignition so I can gain more control.....
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Linx, it was mainly as to put a boggo carb on, that would be work, but the car already has a single 45 on lada manifold, so its just a case of bolting it on a different manifold.
Chris, i forgot about Simons Rs, really like that car, shame I'm going to beet him when my lada is done!
les, i know aobut the 205 block, i had a sierra before and i put a boggo 205 in it, before it was cvh, and that car went VERY well for a boggo motor.
My plan is to buy a 205 engine tomorow from GS escorts [used to be harwoods] and put that in, ill have to cut and move the sump bulge to the front, but not a big job.
the RL 32, that is a nice cam for all over power? I don't want a cammy engine, even though i have driven a full hit 180 bhp pinto, and that was awesome.
My axel is something like the english for power, i don't want to brake it, I'm for reliability not over all power...
Exhaust manifolds, i cant really use a mega one as i have a stearing box to pass, is there a cast manifold say off a capri that is good, that i can work with?
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There is so much to say, ie 205 block vs 2.0, injector heads, big valve etc, but I suspect most of it to be balls... Get the Burton catalogue, there's loads of gen on all ford lumps at the beginning, its a cracking read even if you don't buy anything. They say for example, the stock bottom end will take a 50% increase in power, soo 100hp standard + 50= 150bhp on stock rods. They wont rev past 6500 without work though! Tuning the SOCH Pinto engine by David Vizard is THE pinto tuning book, BUT it's 20 years out of date and things move on....good history lesson. Ask on any ford forum, you'll get 1000 contradictory opinions. My rr setup tho, 205 block with 2.0 crank and rods (lighter/stronger), Standard head (valves are big enough fo already, its a good design!) Kent RL32 cam, 4 branch and weber DGAS, Sierra electronic ignition. Am moving to sierra EFi manifold with megasquirt and EDIS ignition so I can gain more control..... ah right, the sierra dizzy, how much advance to you get out of that? On the lada now is a simular one, its the golf driver 1600-1800 8v dizzy, looks identical apart from the wiring. I'm actualy hoping the golf wiring will power the sierra dizzy... If not not a problem |
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thing is with road rallying, you can only run a twin cam if the engine was originally on injection and you have to retain the standard penum and throttle body What a bizarre regulation, given the origins of the Lada - Fiat built 124s came factory fitted with the Lampredi. |
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rl32 is a lovely cam, not much below 3000 though, pulls well enough to 3 then wayhayy!!!!! kinda like my rd250 stroker used to be. I drive the car every day, the engine's on its third car lol
Fraid all the cast manifolds are the same, and cack. plus, they crack from the heat so you never find a good one anyhow! Buy a cheap four branch and cut and shut it round the steering box. (maybe an escort one? they hug the block to clear the strut tower)
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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ah ok, ill look for a simple tubular one then, but i am weary of cutting manifolds as they are tuned lenghts on the pipes, but maybe ifs its bends etc, itll be ok.
Itll be funny as everyone will think there is a RS comming, and itll be a lada LOL!
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There is so much to say, ie 205 block vs 2.0, injector heads, big valve etc, but I suspect most of it to be balls... Get the Burton catalogue, there's loads of gen on all ford lumps at the beginning, its a cracking read even if you don't buy anything. They say for example, the stock bottom end will take a 50% increase in power, soo 100hp standard + 50= 150bhp on stock rods. They wont rev past 6500 without work though! Tuning the SOCH Pinto engine by David Vizard is THE pinto tuning book, BUT it's 20 years out of date and things move on....good history lesson. Ask on any ford forum, you'll get 1000 contradictory opinions. My rr setup tho, 205 block with 2.0 crank and rods (lighter/stronger), Standard head (valves are big enough fo already, its a good design!) Kent RL32 cam, 4 branch and weber DGAS, Sierra electronic ignition. Am moving to sierra EFi manifold with megasquirt and EDIS ignition so I can gain more control..... ah right, the sierra dizzy, how much advance to you get out of that? On the lada now is a simular one, its the golf driver 1600-1800 8v dizzy, looks identical apart from the wiring. I'm actualy hoping the golf wiring will power the sierra dizzy... If not not a problem I know the golf one, they are near identical Bosch units. Electrics should be interchangable. If not, all motorcraft boxes come with a free sierra! Cant remember offhand what it advances to, but I do remember it being better than the points one when I fitted it 3 years ago.. I could scope it for you tomorrow, I'm kinda curious myself now  |
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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My axel is something like the english for power, I don't want to brake it, I'm for reliability not over all power... simons car used to have an english under it, and it used to regularly bust a shaft. he went onto a semi-floating atlas for a bit before going upto a fully floater with inboard discs and calipers. i don't know what spec of cam was in the old engine, you could hear it come alive at about 4500rpm tho! |
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thing is with road rallying, you can only run a twin cam if the engine was originally on injection and you have to retain the standard penum and throttle body What a bizarre regulation, given the origins of the Lada - Fiat built 124s came factory fitted with the Lampredi. here is how stupid it is, i could get a mkiii escort, make it RWD, put a 250 bhp BMW M3 4 pot engine in with the standard injection, what ever brain i want, as long as it basicaly looks like a standard car, but i cant put a twin cam in my lada on a single 45.... |
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I know the golf one, they are near identical Bosch units. Electrics should be interchangable. If not, all motorcraft boxes come with a free sierra! Cant remember offhand what it advances to, but I do remember it being better than the points one when I fitted it 3 years ago.. I could scope it for you tomorrow, I'm kinda curious myself now plz if you odnt mind!!! I know the golf one goes to 32 deg, which is like the aldon dizzy they put in the pinto. That is ideal for what we want i think |
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thats why i think I'm gonna go staging, getting anywhere with a standard plenum on mine is flogging dead horses. I'm thinking 14 16v on DTA management with 40mm bodies
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I tihnk you would learn a lot by using the car as it is, then when you can drive it very hard, you go for more power...
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thats the plan to start with once the cage is in and done
anyhoo back to pintos....
one of my mates recently went from a single 45 on a lynx to split 45s
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I don't really see the thing with splits, the guy who willbuild my engine is Rae sharret, he advised dave brooks on the split manifold, and basicaly told him not to bother, but seems the bull curse word baffles brains thing works
The linx manifold dosnt look ideal.
I'm just really interested in what i need to buy to suply rae with bits.
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