MrBen
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Jan 11, 2007 19:30:51 GMT
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There's plenty of decent looking drivers on autotrader etc for around £500, so that does seem scene taxed up due to the big bumpers and pretty wheels!
The insurance question is the biggy though - lowered suspension and aftermarket alloys are not going to go down well with the sorts of insurer who cover new drivers. Many will just refuse to quote, and others will multiply the premium...
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Toy: 2001 Porsche Boxster S - almost retro! Daily: Modern BMW 435i - less exciting but quick!
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Jan 11, 2007 20:22:41 GMT
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i still think its got about 50% scene tax... white is never going to go down that well. plus its the less desireable 5 door. sure it looks good and it probably is, but at £1k you can be VERY picky and get the colour you like, and original spec (which this doesn't have as said above) considering a mate, silent on here, c'mon jonny!, has a grey mk2 gti bought, alloy'd and otr for waaaaaaaaaaaaaay less than that, and tbh looks far nicer IMO than the white one...
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Jan 11, 2007 21:08:38 GMT
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£1000 might sound strong but you cannot judge a car based on description and pictures alone, you never know what a car is like until you get there, I`ve had loads of cheap cars offered that sound great over the phone, they tick all the right boxes - low mileage, loads of test, good bodywork, and you get there and its all wrong - that rattle that you only hear above 2000 revs, those off colour panels that don't line up properly, that pervading sense that this is just not a nice car but you cant quite put your finger on it.
What I`m saying is yeah this guy might be a dreamer trying to get £1000 for a curse word Golf, on the other hand this Golf might be absolutely sorted in every respect and just be a totally right car. You cant compare second hand cars, its just no good saying "you can get them for half that price in better colours with loads of tax and test" because each second hand car is unique and has its own "issues".
I`ll stop waffling, but really you need to see this car in the flesh and drive it, that is what matters with older cars. Take someone with you if you don't feel confident to appraise it.
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Last Edit: Jan 11, 2007 21:11:11 GMT by vicsmith
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zeus
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Jan 11, 2007 21:38:38 GMT
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Just sold my golf 1600 driver for £300 134k miles from new very good history, totally standard. It was up for £500.
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benjo
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Jan 11, 2007 22:17:06 GMT
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Thanks for the input guys. I phoned up the chap and i'm going out on saturday to have a look at the car. I'm still looking at other cars of course. I'll see how it goes
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awoo
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Jan 11, 2007 23:18:28 GMT
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i had one once and it was my favourite car, also my first proper car, went on to 215k miles till i parked it upside down in a canal. insurance is fairly steep tho. £1100tpft and that was in 2001. still good tho.
worth about £600 tho id say, thats what mine cost back then. defo a brilliant first car but not for £1k, you could get the same for alot less, don't be a mugg, haggle down like crazy.
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Poor Benjo...this all looks really scary to me and it's not my money!
Non specific advice from me:
Don't be seduced - walking away from a car is very difficult, but from my experience regretting a purchase is far worse than the regret of not buying something. Decide what you want before you look at a car and walk away if it doesn't tick all of the boxes.
Remember your looking at the car in front of you, not the type of car...eg. if you love the pillarless doors on a Triumph Herald, don't forget they've all got them you don't need to buy the car you're looking at to get that particular feature. The real questions are things like MOT, Tax, how does it run?, is it rotten?, what does it need?, is it honest? (ie. not just tarted up for sale - be very wary of recent repaints).
Learn all you can about what your looking at - going straight to a rusty spring mount or checking a known fail point has two advantages: It means you don't buy a lemon and you look knowledgeable meaning you'll have more bartering power.
Don't be scared of making silly offers, no-one has ever told me to s*d off yet, and more than a few have accepted! The old 'I'll only pay this much, here's my number' line often means you'll get the car later that day anyway!
Be nice, all of the bartering tricks work best when you're displaying your friendly smile!
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benjo
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Jan 15, 2007 19:49:57 GMT
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Well guys, I went and had a look at the car. It was a nice car i have to admit, and i almost considered buying it. But when we went back to take it for a test drive, some other people had bought it I've come accross another car, and i want your opinions on it, but i fear you may knock it down
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Jan 15, 2007 19:52:51 GMT
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No-one was knocking the car down.
The car itself looked fine - it was the price that was wrong. Very wrong.
If it had been 600-700 quid, then I'd have said to snap it up - but a grand would buy a very tidy GTI.
A GTI would have been more expensive to insure, but they're actually more economical than the carburettor 'Driver' models.
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benjo
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Jan 15, 2007 20:09:48 GMT
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Yeh I see what you mean. I know people wern't knocking the car, just my decision. I don't really know much, thats why i'm looking into these older golfs and posting on here This is what i've found recently.. seems more affordable? pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/media?id=452731326"1990 G Reg VOLKSWAGEN Golf 1.6 CL 5 Doors, Manual, Hatchback, Petrol, Red, MOT-03-2007, 2 Owners. Full service history, Central locking, Service History. Insurance Group:9, £495." I hope it's ok to post autotrader links? Havn't been told off yet
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Last Edit: Jan 15, 2007 20:10:50 GMT by benjo
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Found a first carbriandamaged
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Jan 15, 2007 20:20:15 GMT
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The short MOT would put me off that straight away at that money. Sorry to sound negative, am only trying to make sure your 1st car lives up to expectations and doesn't turn into a nightmarish money-pit!!!! ;D
If I was you I'd be tempted to keep an eye on the For Sales on here and the various VW forums, if that's what you're after...there's more chance of buying something decent off an enthusiast than a trader!!
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Kris
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Jan 15, 2007 20:22:13 GMT
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That looks great, nice price too, maybe knock it down a bit due to the short MoT. I had a 1990 1.6 Driver a couple of years ago and a 1.8 GL more recently, you can't really go wrong with them. People weren't knocking you you or the car but just trying to offer their advice from their own experiences. I paid way too much for a rusty Nova when I was 17 because it was the first car I saw when I should have waited a while and scanned the market better, there are loads of cars out there for you
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Last Edit: Jan 15, 2007 20:22:48 GMT by Kris
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benjo
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Jan 15, 2007 20:41:45 GMT
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Thanks guys. I'm gonna have a look at the car, maybe try and knock some money off, or ask if I could have a new MOT done?
edit: Forgot to say, my budget is good up to £1000. So if i were to get a car around this price bracket, i would have some left over cash to do some tweaks etc.
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Last Edit: Jan 15, 2007 20:42:32 GMT by benjo
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Jan 15, 2007 20:54:10 GMT
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Yeh I see what you mean. I know people wern't knocking the car, just my decision. I don't really know much, thats why i'm looking into these older golfs and posting on here This is what i've found recently.. seems more affordable? pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/media?id=452731326"1990 G Reg VOLKSWAGEN Golf 1.6 CL 5 Doors, Manual, Hatchback, Petrol, Red, MOT-03-2007, 2 Owners. Full service history, Central locking, Service History. Insurance Group:9, £495." I hope it's ok to post autotrader links? Havn't been told off yet Doesn't look bad for the money. As others have said - knock it down a fair bit for the short MOT - I'd start at 50% of the asking. I note that it's from a dealer - so play hard with the negotiations - a dealer wouldn't be punting that out unless he bought it for sod all. Probably gave a lot less than 200 quid as a trade in against something more expensive on his lot. One thing to be aware of on old Golfs is that the carbs are a right royal PITA - make sure it's stone cold when you view it - they're tricky to start if anything is playing up - so you want to be sure the dealer hasn't warmed it before you get there. Did we cover how old you are and how long you've had a license? - I'd still be considering a GTI just for the reliability of the fuel injection.
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Jan 15, 2007 21:08:08 GMT
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Those pierburgs can be a right PITA if not looked after properly, but quite often its just something simple! I bought the Polo 'knowing' I would have to change the pierburg, but after my dad had a look and I had a little fiddle with the idle screw and a tube of superglue it idles and revs fine. The autochoke isn't perfect admittedly, but it works. I am keeping my eye out for a cheap webber though
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benjo
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Jan 15, 2007 21:11:28 GMT
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Well i'm 17 and learning to drive. Will pass my test in about 4 weeks afaik. Insurance wise, i've been quoted around £1600. My parents said that if it gets too expensive, they'd chip in.
As for the carb, would you reccomend getting a webber fitted with the spare cash? Or just concentrating on the aesthetics as it's a first car?
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Jan 15, 2007 21:26:57 GMT
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Unless the carb is giving issues then I'd leave it for now - but be aware you may well need to find a couple of hundred quid to sort it at some point. I ended up selling my MkI Cabrio 'cos of the carb - I tried a couple of replacement Pierburg's and all were the same. Most are generally worn out now and a complete to recondition. At 17 I guess a GTI is out of the question - try running a quote for a laugh, though! Also be aware that any cosmetic mods would have to be declared to your insurers - and they *really* don't like stuff like big alloys and lowered suspension on cars driven by newly qualified drivers. Get it for £300 ,MOT it, drive it for 12 months, then when you have a year of claim-free driving against your records, start modding it.
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Jan 15, 2007 21:37:27 GMT
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or, if its up your street, theres a very long mot on a 3door white driver over here in NI at £450. costs about £130tops to take a car between UK/NI and you get a personalised reg
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benjo
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Jan 15, 2007 21:52:52 GMT
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At 17 I guess a GTI is out of the question - try running a quote for a laugh, though! Have done before! Best quote i got was £6500
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benjo
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Jan 15, 2007 21:54:56 GMT
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or, if its up your street, theres a very long mot on a 3door white driver over here in NI at £450. costs about £130tops to take a car between UK/NI and you get a personalised reg Thanks for the heads up. But i think it's a litte far to travel Besides, theres plenty that are local to me
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