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Sept 25, 2012 9:55:30 GMT
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mjd
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Sept 25, 2012 10:00:07 GMT
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It's not road tax, it's car tax  All this black-box vehicle tracking nonsense is just daft (and probably unworkable in real life). If they want "pay as you drive" then fuel duty seems to work pretty well. |
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Sept 25, 2012 10:03:42 GMT
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Links from the Express and the Mail? Ew. Got any info from any real news sources...?
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VIP
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Sept 25, 2012 10:28:10 GMT
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'Black box' systems will never work, if the technology is 'local', i.e. in the car, people will find ways of blocking/disabling/modifying the electronics or the signal.
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EmDee
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Sept 25, 2012 11:39:39 GMT
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Sept 25, 2012 12:01:17 GMT
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Haven't we been here before? Sticking it on fuel would be far too simple and effective:
Small car? Do tiny mileage? pay less
Do more mileage? pay a bit more
Bigger, thirstier car? pay a bit more
Big thirstly car and loadsa miles? pay a lot more.
Simple, transparent, hard to avoid/evade.
The old argument was that having to buy a tax disc provided a good opportunity to check insurance and MoT. However, now that The Man can do this electronically whether you like it or not, that no longer seems valid.
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jonw
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Sept 25, 2012 12:13:57 GMT
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How are the silly fuggers going to stick a black box on a 40+ year old vehicle??? The box would be worth more than the tax they'd get out of it.
More pie in the sky if you ask me.
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Sept 25, 2012 12:14:20 GMT
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Quite. Almost word for word, what I end up shouting at the telveision whenever this is mentioned. But a slight increase in fuel duty doesn't provide millions of pounds worth of contracts for the government's pet IT contractors  Haven't we been here before? Sticking it on fuel would be far too simple and effective: Small car? Do tiny mileage? pay less Do more mileage? pay a bit more Bigger, thirstier car? pay a bit more Big thirstly car and loadsa miles? pay a lot more. Simple, transparent, hard to avoid/evade. The old argument was that having to buy a tax disc provided a good opportunity to check insurance and MoT. However, now that The Man can do this electronically whether you like it or not, that no longer seems valid. |
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jonw
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Sept 25, 2012 12:14:46 GMT
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It's not road tax, it's car tax All this black-box vehicle tracking nonsense is just daft (and probably unworkable in real life). If they want "pay as you drive" then fuel duty seems to work pretty well. PS it's vehicle tax. I have to pay on the motorcycles..... |
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Sept 25, 2012 12:15:56 GMT
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don't like the idea of black boxes, to easy to monitor your driving/speed for my liking...
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mjd
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Sept 25, 2012 12:58:12 GMT
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PS it's vehicle tax. I have to pay on the motorcycles..... Ah yes, so it is |
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stealthstylz
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Sept 25, 2012 13:00:03 GMT
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They couldn't put it on fuel everybody would buy old diesels and run them on veg.
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mjd
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Sept 25, 2012 13:29:13 GMT
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If it's meant to be "cost neutral" for the average driver, it wouldn't be that much more on fuel -- hand-waving numbers, but if average VED is £200 and average mileage is 10,000 then it'd need to be 2p/mile extra to make up for VED. No idea what average fuel consumption is, but if it's 35mpg that's 70p/gallon or 15p/litre. That'd take unleaded from £1.40/l to £1.55/l, about a 10% increase. Not sure it would galvanise lots more people to clatter around on chip fat, I suspect most of the folk so inclined are already doing it. I guess the main problem is that people only grumble about VED once a year but they grumble about fuel prices all the time, so more fuel duty is politically awkward. And also the IT contract thing |
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Sept 25, 2012 13:32:47 GMT
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It's merely wheeled out every now and then to get the masses used to the idea.
Next there will be a trial period followed by an extended trial followed by another and before you know it we'll all be paying both
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fogey
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Sept 25, 2012 13:32:59 GMT
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'If it's meant to be "cost neutral" for the average driver'Now, you don't really believe that, do you? 
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Last Edit: Sept 25, 2012 13:33:28 GMT by fogey
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luckyseven
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Sept 25, 2012 13:42:15 GMT
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It's merely wheeled out every now and then to get the masses used to the idea. Next there will be a trial period followed by an extended trial followed by another and before you know it we'll all be paying both This A bit like the Poll Tax errr, sorry, Council Tax or whatever the spin doctors call it now. That was wheeled out in an attempt to make paying rates "fairer" across all incomes... yet strangely those of us who were paying an amount of rent towards rates didn't see our rent go down commensurately when the rates were "abolished"  . They'll find a way of making us pay both alongside, I'm sure |
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Sept 25, 2012 14:28:33 GMT
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Well, in South Australia they've got rid of our rego stickers now. But we still have to pay it, and just trust that the electronic system has recorded our payment. You get a receipt number to write on your renewal form and that's it. They've made an official government app for iPhone and Android which lets you check the expiry date on any vehicle from the registration number, to make up for the loss of stickers.
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mjd
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Sept 25, 2012 14:54:23 GMT
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Now, you don't really believe that, do you? I did say "if"  |
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crazymonkey
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Sept 25, 2012 15:44:36 GMT
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so if its going to work out not costing us more then bikes are going to be stupidly cheap per mile. I mean my kawasaki and my peds are £16 a year at the moment.
last I heard they were going to put more toll booths on the motorways and dual carriageways but obviously realised that all that would do would clog the back roads up.
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whoever said dogs were man's best friend....obviously never heard of cable ties
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Sept 25, 2012 16:52:05 GMT
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All these schemes seem set to consume as much money as they would take in. Mind you I have a strong suspicion that at the moment the total Vehicle Excise Duty income is spent on just administering the tax disc process at the DVLA.
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. They'll find a way of making us pay both alongside, I'm sure
