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Dec 21, 2006 12:30:19 GMT
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Rather than bore you with all the problems I've had getting my Nissan SR20DET 2 litre turbo engine to run in my Nissan S14 (and soon to try to install into my Datsun 910) I thought I'd post a few pictures of this fantastic lightweight and well crafted engine installed in other cars, alongside problems that I have encountered so far. Here's one in a Datsun 510 - looks like a factory fit: My previous owner had the head reconditioned and when he put it back together he made some serious errors which took some time to find. Datsun 1200: Previous owner had swapped fuel line and fuel return line. In a 510: Previous owner had put the head back on and got the timing two teeth out on the timing chain (this is a lot): Setting the timing on the SR20DET: Previous owner has replaced the cam angle sensor (which times the spark) but this didn't solve the non-starting problem. Another great SR20DET install in a Datsun 510: After probing about for ages with a volt meter we discovered that the cam angle sensor didn't have the 12v that it should have had so we had to wire a connection between a pin on the computer and the cam angle sensor. Another 510: So after setting the timing, probing for electronics issues, swapping the fuel lines over, and spending seven hours trying to work out what was wrong with the fuel pump relay, then realising that I hadn't turned the immobiliser off, I finally started it! Beauties in 510s: Anyway, I finally started my engine, then turned it off to fill the radiator. Put a couple of litres in. After a minute I heard trickling, and watched as all the water spewed out the back of the engine. So now I have a very difficult to find water leak. It's at the back, under a lot of hose! Another neat install: S13? Nearly there. And I still love this engine. Charlie
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Last Edit: Dec 21, 2006 12:32:55 GMT by charlie
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Dec 21, 2006 12:42:08 GMT
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Good lad! sounds like an absolute mission to me, i want to see videos of the cheeky monkey running Love the post too, makes for happy reading with all the colourful shiny things inbetween! J
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Dec 21, 2006 13:38:23 GMT
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At the moment I think a video of water running out of some random pipe at the back of the f ucking engine would be much funnier.
As a grown up I now have some spare cash but I still prefer to do things on the cheap. So far getting the SR20DET to run has cost me nothing. What I don't have, and what I really miss is time. So the free days between Christmas and New Year is water leak fixing time! Woo!
If I get the leak sorted my £1100 Nissan 200sx will finally run. Then after I have enjoyed it for a while the engine will definitely come out and go into the 910. By CARS or Retro Show or whatever it's called in 2007.
Charlie
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Last Edit: Dec 21, 2006 13:47:50 GMT by charlie
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Dec 21, 2006 15:09:59 GMT
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how does the SR20det compare to other 2.0 turbo engines? C20let, cosworth etc?what sort of power gains do you get for your money? how hard to butcher into other cars? what RWD gearbox do they mate to? they are a very purdy looking hengine though
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Dec 21, 2006 15:40:09 GMT
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I'm no expert but 200ish horses is standard for the turbo engines and I paid £1100 for the whole car and engine (almost working). Power up to 700 is possible - it's all about the careful balance between strength, fuel supply and forced induction. The engine is computer controlled but the ECU seems quite simple and as long as the loom is intact and the airflow is tight and there are no leaks it's a straightforward engine. Twin cam, chain driven timing, aluminium block, cheap gearboxes. It's a Nissan engine so it's not exotic, cheaper than a Cosworth I guess. Came RWD in the 200sx (my car): and tranverse mounted 4WD in the scary mary Pulsar GTIR: And FWD in the Nissan Primera but without the turbo. Seems like a very useful and relatively simple and reliable engine. Charlie
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zep
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Dec 21, 2006 20:19:43 GMT
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Dec 21, 2006 22:01:49 GMT
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Sr's do have some weaknesses unfortunately. Unlike the CA18DET, they have a slightly over complicated valve train assembly and in stock form they can spit out a rocker arm if revved to hard. You can get a kit to prevent it happening though. The later SR20DETs have variable timing on the inlet cam and the sprocket that powers it is prone to failure. Knackered ones can be identified by an erratic rattle at tickover. Other than those items though they are pretty tough units. Mine did a full year of drifting (clocking up 10k in the process) which means a great deal of time bouncing off the limiter and it's still going stong. It was over heated, countless times last year and even detted hard enough to lunch Denso iridium plugs completely.
Power wise, the turbo SR's vary from around 200bhp to 220bhp in stock form. Minor mods (boost, FMIC, filter, exhaust etc) will get them from 200 to around 260-270bhp and with remapping and a turbo upgrade you can safely go to about 380 without worrying about the internals. Forgies etc will allow for some insane amounts of power but as with most high HP four pots, it'll become less useable on the street if your running insane levels of power.
It's also worth mentioning some variations in SR design. Early engine, characterised by their flat cam cover, feature a high inlet port head design which is theoretically more desirable than the later, low port head. These engines do not have the variable inlet cam timing either. The early SR's were not sold in RWD form in the UK and come from Japanese import 180SX's and Silvias. The later engines as fitted to UK spec S14's have a humped cam cover and the variable cam timing. S14's are the best donor although S14a engines can be used, however the management has built in anti theft system which may add complication. The FWD SR's have a different engine block casting and will not bolt up to RWD boxes. They also have the dizzy sticking out of the back of the head (on NA engines) The Japanese spec S14 Silvia Q's normally aspirated engine is probably pick of the bunch for n/a swaps as it's about 165bhp stock compared to about 135 bhp for one from a UK model (I think the Serena is the only UK source for a RWD n/a SR)
The only thing I would add, contrary to what Charlie said, the gearboxes are not all that cheap. They often go for about £350, primarily because they are in short supply and I'd imagine drifting has killed plenty of them already. It seams to be cheaper to get a used box from a scrappy than off ebay or via SXOC as scrappys just charge what they charge for any box. I got one for £150 this way locally. If you have a knackered box, it's theoretically possible to fit the SR front casing onto a late CA18 box and use that as it's the same series of box but I've never had to try it (yet).
The one big bonus of going with an SR is there is a wealth of tuning parts and even more importantly, a lot of knowledge out there. Even though the initial purchase cost of an SR and box etc is quite high, I'd definately say it's worth it.
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1962 Datsun Bluebird Estate - 1971 Datsun 510 SSS - 1976 Datsun 710 SSS - 1981 Dodge van - 1985 Nissan Cherry Europe GTi - 1988 Nissan Prairie - 1990 Hyundai Pony Pickup - 1992 Mazda MX5
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Kris
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Dec 21, 2006 22:05:11 GMT
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Great thread, learnt alot about them
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Dec 21, 2006 22:07:21 GMT
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1962 Datsun Bluebird Estate - 1971 Datsun 510 SSS - 1976 Datsun 710 SSS - 1981 Dodge van - 1985 Nissan Cherry Europe GTi - 1988 Nissan Prairie - 1990 Hyundai Pony Pickup - 1992 Mazda MX5
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Ratdat, do you have any idea about what's leaking on my SR20 - water spewing from the back of the engine under the injectors? I think it may be a pipe that carries water out of the block into an oil cooler.
I'll investigate more between Xmas and New Year.
Charlie
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MantaA16V
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Dec 24, 2006 15:47:40 GMT
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I'm putting a SR20DET engine and gearbox into a Manta at the moment. It sits in the engine bay a treat and with the plannned mods, it should run with a spring in it's step.
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www.suffolkcountymantas.co.uk 07720 288928 Now on twitter suffolk_mantas CUSTOM BUILDS, ENGINE SWAPS, PAINT. BRAKES. ONE OFF CUSTOM INTERIORS. WHEELS AND TYRES. Max signature image height = 80px
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Dec 24, 2006 16:07:36 GMT
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I'm putting a SR20DET engine and gearbox into a Manta at the moment. It sits in the engine bay a treat and with the plannned mods, it should run with a spring in it's step. Nice No problems with sump or steering clearance then? That's one of the few difficulties I expect the SR presents when swapped into some vehicles, as the sump, being cast aluminium, isn't easily modified to clear crossmembers. So having facility to accept a front sumped engine is needed really, or as in My 610, the ability to alter the crossmember. On that I had to fit the front crossmember back to front to clear the sump and fit a modified steering cross rod to clear the gearbox bellhousing. Thankfully, SR swaps into Datsuns are so popular that I could buy the latter off the shelf (could have even bought a 610 specific fitting kit with mounts etc!). Should go well in the Manta I'd have though. Big power for little money ...how can you go wrong
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1962 Datsun Bluebird Estate - 1971 Datsun 510 SSS - 1976 Datsun 710 SSS - 1981 Dodge van - 1985 Nissan Cherry Europe GTi - 1988 Nissan Prairie - 1990 Hyundai Pony Pickup - 1992 Mazda MX5
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RetroMat
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Dec 24, 2006 17:09:08 GMT
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SR20DE in a K10 Micra ;D
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Dec 24, 2006 17:15:39 GMT
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Manta install sounds cool. Any pics?
Charlie
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MantaA16V
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Dec 24, 2006 18:51:03 GMT
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The sump isn't really a problem, i'm modifing the crosmenber to clear it. I'm building for someone else, we're putting a lot of work into the whole car, it really is going to be quite a motor. It should be finished in time for VBOC weekend at billing, 1st week end in July 07. Here is link to a thread he,s running on th SXOC website, there a some nice pic's on there. www.sxoc.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=255725
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www.suffolkcountymantas.co.uk 07720 288928 Now on twitter suffolk_mantas CUSTOM BUILDS, ENGINE SWAPS, PAINT. BRAKES. ONE OFF CUSTOM INTERIORS. WHEELS AND TYRES. Max signature image height = 80px
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