Nick
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Dec 20, 2006 14:29:04 GMT
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Right, as per usual every job i try and tackle turns to utter frustration. went to do a lady friends front brakes on her fiesta and in spectacular fashion the locking wheel nut key broke, luckily it was just after i cracked off one of the locking wheel nuts. it was a flimsy design with two little bits jutting out that went into grooves on the nut. these 2 little bits have sheered off. gay. so ive only been able to do the brakes on one side, which sucks but i had to as the pads were pretty much non existant. so yeh obviously she now has no key to undo the rest of the wheel nuts on the other 3 wheels. so not only do i need a solution ASAP so i can do the other front brake, but she needs it for when the inevitable happens and she gets a flat. so yeh, where do i go about sourcing either another locking wheel nut or what can i do to get the other wheelnuts off. drill them off? i cant smash a socket onto them as the wheel nut is completely round and smooth apart from 2 little grooves. please please help, not only am i curse word off, but I'm getting earache too   |
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
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Dec 20, 2006 14:33:14 GMT
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You should be able to get a replacement key from the company that made it / them - this may take a while though.
Is there anyway you can weld a socket on to the nut?
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Dec 20, 2006 14:36:05 GMT
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I have this to do on one of mine. apart from your suggestion, you could try and craft something similar out of a socket etc  is there no documettion for the lockers, my new ens came with a card with re order number. also defo not stored in car, in a nook cranny, boot, brace etc? ... |
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Nick
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Dec 20, 2006 14:36:20 GMT
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i have no idea who made them, not my car, and they were on the car when my friend got it, and there appears to be no markings to say who it was who made them. its a proper curse word design though.
don't think ive got much chance of welding a socket onto it tbh. someone with better welding skills perhaps.
i was hoping the answer would be get the BFH out and smash away.thats always my favourite problem solver.
I'm wondering if i can repair the damaged "key" ...
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
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Dec 20, 2006 14:37:24 GMT
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I've welded ordinary hex. nuts to lockers before but a tyre place I used to use had a set of 'sockets' with sharp serrations inside which they could knock onto nuts and would grip even a totally round fixing.
I never needed to use them because the 'weld a nut' method always worked for me.
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Nick
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Dec 20, 2006 14:40:41 GMT
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hmm just been outside and luckily found the 2 flimsy curse word bits that snapped off ... dunno what material it is. i think the short answer could just be " curse word" ...might try
and replace the groove with blobs of weld.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
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Dec 20, 2006 14:41:02 GMT
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I'm sure I've seen a tool for this, either Snap On or Irwin do them IIRC, socket with sharp edges inside that dig in to the nut, even if round, grip it & pull it out. I'll keep searching & get back to you
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Dec 20, 2006 14:55:17 GMT
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bstardchild
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Locking wheel nut helpbstardchild
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Dec 20, 2006 14:59:41 GMT
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Thats what I've got in a set of 4 sizes Never been beated by a locker yet and occasionally called into service for club meetings (turn up with a knackered set of lockers and a spare set of non locking wheel bolts and I'll bring me removal tool) Work very well indeed - cheap too |
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Nick
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Dec 20, 2006 15:04:39 GMT
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awesome, right I'm off to check the local motorfactors and halfrods, thanks a lot guys.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
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Dec 20, 2006 15:11:08 GMT
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How tight was the one you managed to remove?
If it wasn't last tightened by he-man could you not attack it with a hammer and chisel - try and get it to turn like?
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Dec 20, 2006 15:18:30 GMT
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just get an old socket and hammer it on there, don't need special tools, just a dirty great hammer. i had a knackered stud on a car once that was spinning in the hub so i undid the hub nut through the wheel and took the whole hub off so don't panic too much, its a last resort but should be easy if its still got standard wheels on it.  |
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Nick
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Dec 20, 2006 15:39:53 GMT
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well being the traveller sorta bloke i am , i thought i'd try and save a few quid and have a go at making my own locking wheel nut removal tool. so yeh ive gone along the same lines as smashing a socket on there, but with extra blobs of weld in there to act as teeth. haha. i have a feeling its not going to work. if that fails I'm gonna try the hammer and chisel method.
unfortunately the other one was P*ssing tight and I'm sure thats what broke the original key.
ahwell onwardssss...
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
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Dec 20, 2006 16:34:30 GMT
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I agree with Mr P. Toaster, just attack the remains with a slightly smaller socket. It WILL work. I had the exact same thing happen to me. Brute force & ignorance will overcome.  |
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Dec 20, 2006 16:40:17 GMT
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So my question is, is there any point having lockers?  the only thing it does is it puts up more resistance to crims than standard nuts. but if they want em...  |
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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Dec 20, 2006 16:41:39 GMT
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A chisel has worked for me it the past but it depends on the extent to which the nut is shrouded by the wheel.
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Nick
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Dec 20, 2006 16:54:10 GMT
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wickedcool. my homemade craptastic specialist locking wheel nut key worked, unfortunately it worked so well its not wedged onto the wheel nut so i cant use it on the 2 at the back but i don't care, at least i can do the brakes on the front now.
thanks for the ideas guys.
all it took was a mild bit of semi-brainstorming, a welder and the big hammer.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
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Dec 20, 2006 19:03:13 GMT
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its always worth having lockers as a couple of blokes can have the wheels off a car in about 2 mins flat without em, locking nuts slow em down and are noisy to get off.
as always you CANT stop car crime cos if they want something bad enough they'll get it, but you can make it easier for the casual tea leaf to go to next car along.
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Dec 23, 2006 16:55:21 GMT
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well done in removing the front one i would of suggested getting a grinder in to flatten out a couple sides of the locker, so u could grip it with something, or weld a nut onto it as someone else suggested on the previous page, (sorry cant remember who it was) but the ability to do either depends on the style of wheel fitted, steels should be easy, but some alloys with inset studs could be a real pain |
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Dec 23, 2006 18:19:19 GMT
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father inlaw had a flat tyre while workin away,took it to local garage an they broke lockin wheel nut key ,they then started to cut through the alloy wheel as they said it was the only way to get wheel off :ofather in law stopped the chap an told him to blow tyre up an he drove car home I removed all 4 lockers in bout 10 mins  |
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Last Edit: Dec 23, 2006 18:20:08 GMT by hitman
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is there no documettion for the lockers, my new ens came with a card with re order number. also defo not stored in car, in a nook cranny, boot, brace etc? 
the only thing it does is it puts up more resistance to crims than standard nuts. but if they want em... 
