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Nov 29, 2006 11:48:55 GMT
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Undecided. My instinctive reaction was that it was a bad idea.... two years of no maintainance can be pretty catastophic.... But then if it works in europe, why shouldn't it work here? Of course it will be used as yet another money extortion scam by a government agency, but that is to be expected now! All this mud-slinging about testers who fail cars deliberately is interesting.... as I can't think of any time that this may have occurred to me.
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2 year MOT to come in?BenzBoy
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Nov 29, 2006 11:58:17 GMT
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I'm surprised that the gov't are considering this, as there doesn't seem to be any financial gain for them. I would have expected a load of statistics released to the media about the "average British family" being 3.76 times more likely to die in a ball of fire and carnage if they haven't had their journey registered with the authorities, their car dismantled and re-assembled by VOSA and their foreheads barcoded... all for a "reasonable fee".
Still, from my perspective a 2 year MOT seems a good idea. I can appreciate that some people will take the p!ss, but the new advisories rules are designed to reduce this. OK, they could go without fixing it, but if they get a tug by the rozzers it'll be checked and they'll lose their car and/or licence (and be fingerprinted, anally probed and added to the sex offenders register if things continue the way they are going)
As for more old motors being scrapped for MOT failure... the type of people that do that would scrap it anyway. And with half the cars being tested per year, I reckon the figures should even out.
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Nov 29, 2006 12:03:01 GMT
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I took my Ventora fpr an MOT once years ago, I went for a wee while I was waiting and I head a bloke say to the tester "fail that old Vauxhall I want it for bangering". And it failed... Now whether it would have passed or not without this intervention I don't know.
I know a couple of places which do "postal" MOTs.
I know a tester who fails car brought in by people he doesn't like...
I know that trading standards have done "mistery customer" on a load of MOT centres (based on complaints by customers) and found a lot of unwarrantled fails (as well as dangerous defects being passed)
MOT testers are like plumbers, electricians and any other registered trade you can;t do yourself. Theres good, bad and those out to rip people off. I can recommend good MOT centres in and around Nottingham who can be trusted. Anyone want to know PM me. I know a few that can't.
The Europeans have a different attitude and lifestyle to us. Thats why you can have all day drinking in Italian piaza and its a family affair with people chatting and passing the time pleasantly, yet try the same in a British town square and its vommit and fighting all around...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 29, 2006 12:21:05 GMT
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They do have a different lifestyle but look at the size of France. To get anywhere you have to drive many miles. I'm sure their cars clock up huge mileages between CTs. An MOT doesn't tell you whether a car is well maintained. You have to do that bit yourself.
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1986 Citroen 2CV Dolly Other things. Check out my Blog for the latest! www.hubnut.org
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Nov 29, 2006 12:36:47 GMT
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An MOT tells you that its notionally been checked for various safety items. Yes, people should check their cars regularly between MOTs anyway but people don't and won't. You can hope to re-educate people to be honest and concientious but see how well thats going for dealing with public order offenses, shop lifting, vandalism etc...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 29, 2006 12:37:02 GMT
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i really don't think this is likely to happen, just seems a bit daft really as i cant see what's to gain from it, itl just put small garages out of business, and small garages are our friends (i don't know any larger garages that are retro minded/friendly).
reanimation - ive noticed the random braking by modern drivers. whats that about. they also brake for corners which don't need to be taken slowly.
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Nov 29, 2006 12:47:59 GMT
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 29, 2006 13:07:13 GMT
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Not what I particularly meant, but 100% gold link! I'm on about those people who do 35 in a 40 then jab the brakes cos they feel a bit funny if it feell like its runing away, I seem to catch without any accelaration pedal pressing, and slow down on and all around the corner! then get pi$$ed off when you whiz past on a straight (or a corner )! no wonder brakes wear so much and other components! anyway thats a bit O/T i'll get me coat...
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Nov 29, 2006 13:20:08 GMT
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Over here we have the National Car Test (NCT) every 2 years ,costs about 50 euros , cars are tested by indepent test stations not garages, no advisories , a fail is a fail, if the failure is a visual check ie blown bulb you can get a free retest on the offending item, but if its something like brakes,you have to book a retest at a reduced rate. oh and no nct on your car is 5 points on the licence Once a car is 30 years old in this country its then exempt from NCT and only liable for 42 euros per year tax
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Nathan
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2 year MOT to come in?Nathan
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Nov 29, 2006 13:21:00 GMT
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As for the bad MOT people, I have had it bad in the past.
A car that had its sills replaced 2 years previous needed the sill replacing again due to a such D**K. (at this point I must add that the sills were treated before going on the car, and after removal the back end showed them to be perfect)
The said MOT station stated that the sills on the MGB were rotten, This was not true all the half wit jobs worth did was to jam a screw driver in the drainage hole and spin it around a bit, thus making the steel bend and the hole bigger. He even said it had rotted through, (I thought tin worm was a kind of brown colour not silver?)
Anyhow he then stated the 1 tyre was square yet the tyres were new 3 months previous. I was then given a estimate of £250 for the work. Fook me a whole new sill is 35 quid and comes in black so they could get away with not spraying it, ok the tyres were £80, but jesus.
The tyre was checked by a tyre center and proven to be fine, a letter was written and this was fine and accepted by the garage. As for the welding stuff that I fitted the new sill myself, and sprayed and all in all cost me 50 notes. Never been to that garage since, but I am not the only one who has had this from them!
Rant over!
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2 year MOT to come in?BenzBoy
@benzboy
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Nov 29, 2006 13:29:24 GMT
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Over here we have the National Car Test (NCT) every 2 years ,costs about 50 euros , cars are tested by indepent test stations not garages, no advisories , a fail is a fail, if the failure is a visual check ie blown bulb you can get a free retest on the offending item, but if its something like brakes,you have to book a retest at a reduced rate. oh and no nct on your car is 5 points on the licence Once a car is 30 years old in this country its then exempt from NCT and only liable for 42 euros per year tax That's interesting. How long has this been in effect? And I take it that the private garage industry over there is still alive and kicking? That looks like a really good system.
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Nov 29, 2006 13:34:13 GMT
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Why cant it be left up to us in our so called democracy that we are supposed to live in. Perhaps seeing as its us the motorists and in many cases like my self, the garage, shouldnt we get a say?
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Nov 29, 2006 13:36:26 GMT
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introduced in 2000 info here www.ncts.ie/pretty fair system, lots of garages advertise for pre-NCT tests basically to fleece people.
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Nov 29, 2006 13:36:52 GMT
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Over here we have the National Car Test (NCT) every 2 years ,costs about 50 euros , cars are tested by indepent test stations not garages, no advisories , a fail is a fail, if the failure is a visual check ie blown bulb you can get a free retest on the offending item, but if its something like brakes,you have to book a retest at a reduced rate. oh and no nct on your car is 5 points on the licence Once a car is 30 years old in this country its then exempt from NCT and only liable for 42 euros per year tax That's interesting. How long has this been in effect? And I take it that the private garage industry over there is still alive and kicking? That looks like a really good system. ive always liked the sound on the NCT the irish mini lads i know are always talking about em and it seems like a good system, not sure about old cars not being tested tho??
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Nov 29, 2006 13:55:57 GMT
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this has made interesting reading.
I'm unsure myself. When a car gets to 10 - 15 years old it wears quicker and needs to be checked more often. Even a willing home-mechanic is going to struggle to have a good look under his daily, check his emissions and check his brake efficiency. However, a yearly inspection would do all this for him and ensure that the car is fine to continue motoring.
Getting an MOT is a re-assurance that your car is safe to use on the road.
Regarding modern cars doing mega miles- lets look at my sister.
She has an 04 reg Focus that is a company car. I think it's done 60-70k miles. In all of those miles no one has ever checked the car over from a safety prospective- unless something has failed; in which case its too little too late. She has already had problems with the brakes - though the dealer seems to think that there isn't a problem with it. It's also needed new tyres. It's safe to say, that a car shouldn't go 3 years without being checked- especially when clocking so many miles. Thankfully my sister is vigilant and if she thinks there is anything a-miss with her car its straight down the dealers - but how many people do that?
Hows about someone who does maybe 5,000 miles a year and so over two years (10,000miles) it doesn't come to a service interval so it's not looked over by anyone. In those 10,000 miles her tyres could of fallen below the legal limit and they'd be none-the-wiser.
I realize, there are quite a few "what if's" there, but I do worry that if this was introduced there'd be far too many cars going too long without being checked over by someone who knows what they're doing.
I don't see what is wrong with the current system. I can't see why it needs changing.
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Nov 29, 2006 14:36:44 GMT
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Regarding modern cars doing mega miles- lets look at my sister. She has an 04 reg Focus that is a company car. I think it's done 60-70k miles. In all of those miles no one has ever checked the car over from a safety prospective I take it she has had the car serviced at the recommended intervals? Everything *should* have been checked then! Even if a car does 9,999 miles in the two years, most cars should (according to service schedules) be serviced once a year as a minimum. In theory, the only people who should be affected are those that don't bother getting their car serviced, those who KNOW their car is crusty/dodgy and do nothing about it (me! ;D) and small garages...
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My fleet: Suzuki GSX-R600Y SRAD with bald, melted tyres A borrowed Mondeo
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2 year MOT to come in?BenzBoy
@benzboy
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Nov 29, 2006 15:10:33 GMT
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Whether a car is MOT'd once a year, every two years or every two weeks, the test certificate only states that the car is roadworthy on that day. It has always been down to the owner to ensure that their car is in a roadworthy condition.
Personally I think this is just a distraction to keep the motorist sweet whilst they introduce stealth taxes in the name of being "green", and defuse the argument that this government actively hates the UK motorists. A few garages losing trade is no skin off their nose.
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Nov 29, 2006 15:19:52 GMT
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The other thing about the proposal is that new cars won't be tested until they are 4 years old. This is probably fair enough, given how long modern exhausts, brake components last these days.
It will probably save classic owners some money, although I would prefer a return of the 25/30 year rolling tax exemption though!
I don't think its good news for small garages though. Most of the ones I know rely on MOT work as low value car owners only bring it in around MOT time.
It will probably happen, because generally what Gordon wants, Gordon gets. He is effectively running the country now anyway since everybody seems to just ignore Blair now.
I wonder if it leads to an increase in accidents due to unroadworthy vehicles. I think this is a very low percentage now, around 2%?. You would have to look at the French and Irish experience to validate this.
Apparently the UK has the toughest MOT/vehicle check regs in the EU bar Latvia!
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Nov 29, 2006 16:19:44 GMT
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Not sure I like the Irish "NCT exempt after 30 years" trick unless they REALLY clamp down on people who put old VIN plates on Minis, Land Rovers and Beetles like they do here to get the "free" road tax. It's a big incentive to be a bit naughty. There's a big enough problem with people doing that as it is!
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1986 Citroen 2CV Dolly Other things. Check out my Blog for the latest! www.hubnut.org
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Nov 29, 2006 16:21:14 GMT
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I think you'll find the Germans are tougher, or should that be TUVer...
First test at 4 years? Thats madness. How knackered can the brakes etc. be after 4 years on some repmobile Mondeo or whatever?
Cars may wear quicker as they age (not sure this is true) but they tend to do less miles as they age. I bet not many 15 year old cars are doing 40K miles a year.
I can't see what the rationale is for this other than to bring us in line with outher EU countries and perhaps they should be coming in line with us for a change?
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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