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Overheard on breakfast news they are talking about making the MOT last for 2 years not 1. Wifey thinks this is great as it will save her £50 a year on tests (erm, who actually pays for the MOT wifey?)
however... If they do this then I can see problems...
1. The number of MOT tests will half, so garages will want to charge double for the test to cover lost revenue. VOSA & SMMT seem to like to press for highest possible fee and no discounting...
2. I can get my car through an MOT with (for example) 1.6mm of tread on the tyres, marginal pads and mild corrosion 31 CM away from a structural point. If left a year like that its become a ropey car and unsafe, but to be allowed to go 2 years without another check? Either more unsafe cars on the road, or we will end up with a stricter test...
How many people act on the advisory and how many people just wait for it to fail on the same thing next year... My tester thinks 5% / 95% split there...
Anyone know if this is a serious suggestion?
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yeah I think its a serious suggestion, its to become closer to the EU situation, thats how it is in France now.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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I just see more cars failing if they bring this in. Garages rely on MOT failures for a lo tof their work now most people seem to not bother to service thier cars any more. So if you half their tests they will need to double up the revnue by "rusty brake pipes" and the usual tricks.
And then the govt says "since you have saved £54.45 this year on not having to pay for an MOT you can afford to pay an extra £50 a year for your road tax as that goes in our pockets not the garages'...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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what do you want then? An MOT more often or less often? If they proposed to do it more often thered be complaints of 'bloody hell £50 MOT fee twice a year, why don't they just do it once a year to a decent standard'
I can't see it doing any harm, there are less 'old clunkers' on the roads nowadays so the need to check the UK's car population reduces.
Now of course the onus is a little bit more on you to look after your car properly. Can you handle the responsibility?
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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It would work if they told you what you need to replace shortly like pads etc, if its written down its a good disclaimer for em. if its a wasteful excersize of "we wont see you for two years so it all needs to be new" situation then that could hurt.
Is it broke does it need fixing?
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Nov 29, 2006 10:02:03 GMT
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I think it could work rather well with the new advisory system. Stuff that would have failed a few years ago now tends to get put down as an advisory now with my local garage. As long as they say "That isn't going to last two years so you'll need to sort it" then where's the problem? For those of us with a collection of cars (I'm a mere amateur compared to some of you lot!) there's a huge saving in stress and panic as each MOT comes around!
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1986 Citroen 2CV Dolly Other things. Check out my Blog for the latest! www.hubnut.org
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Nov 29, 2006 10:05:29 GMT
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I think an anual MOT for all cars is right (regardless of age). You can put 30, 40, 50K on a car in the first year. A mate of mine has a Company Primera and that did 75K in less than 18 months. Its never had any kind of safety inspection. This relies on the owner/operator to be vigilant to check brakes, tyres, suspension bushes, etc. regularly until the three years is up. Judging by the way some hire cars and repmobiles I've been in clonk and bang they have bushes out and all sorts. But its less than 2 years old so it must be safe... A lot of these places run their fleets on the absolute minimum budget and they skimp enough as it is...
I am one of the "5%" of people who actually fix their advisories. I have no problem with havig an anual MOT as theres stuff I miss, or just get used to with a car and a fresh set of eyes over it is helpful. Also helpful when you buy a new car as there may well be a bunch of bodges previous owners did which I never spotted when I bought it.
I have spoken with people who have done 40K on their car without even an oil change because "maintaining cars is a waste of money". These are the people I don't trust to take responsibility for their safety...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 29, 2006 10:07:23 GMT
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That's the problem. Cars these days can take that sort of neglect and abuse so people just don't bother to look after them. I can see your concern but don't forget, you HAVE to fix your advisories now as they are registered on the system to be checked next time.
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1986 Citroen 2CV Dolly Other things. Check out my Blog for the latest! www.hubnut.org
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Nov 29, 2006 10:09:31 GMT
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not forgetting that 'new' cars don't need one for the first three years,yet i have seen cars in for thier first service ,sometimes less than 10k miles that have gone thro a set of pads and discs already.thats just as dangerous if not more so as these loons who buy new cars cant always grasp the concept of regualr maintence,so whereas us guys running a car which needs a mot every 12months gets someone else to check out motors every year,these idiots plough on for three years regardless and legally.if they were to bring this system in it should be across the board not just for post 3y/o cars.my 10p worth.
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Nov 29, 2006 10:16:41 GMT
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Yeah, you need to fix the advisories - but by the next test. So if thats two years away... I can see more cars being failed on stuff thats advisory now. People already don't fix their advisories. Most motorists are not enthusaists, they just want to have something on the road as cheap as possible, even if thay have a flash / expensive motor they still want everything on the cheap.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 29, 2006 10:21:00 GMT
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well i'm all for 2-year MOT's. It's a rare case of the motorist being allowed a little extra responsibility for himself. TBH i would have thought a monthly MOT including fingerprinting and retina scanning of the owner was more in line with the current toss pots running the UK.
As for all this bashing of new-car driving maintenance-ignoring 'clowns', modern cars can pretty much run non-stop for 3 years without lifting the bonnet. on the rare occasions when a fault does develop, they can usually diagnose it themselves and issue a clearly-worded instruction to the driver to get it sorted stat.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Nov 29, 2006 10:21:08 GMT
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Most motorists are not enthusaists, they just want to have something on the road as cheap as possible, even if thay have a flash / expensive motor they still want everything on the cheap. yeah and don't i know it. new merc owners are the worst when it comes to spending money.
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Nov 29, 2006 10:21:22 GMT
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I reckon it will get some older cars off the road - a ropey motor which needs £150 spent this year might be repaired, if it needs £300 spent next year instead, it's much more likely to get scrapped. The government would love that!
I already had a wake up call when my daily went in for a test. Now, bro told me it was crusty underneath when I bought it in May - that was why he was selling it instead of fitting a 24v. Took it in for the MOT three weeks ago and it failed on rusty sills. They were 'kin scary when I looked at them.
Being a "car enthusiast" I felt very ashamed of myself for even taking the car down the garage in that state. I probably shouldn't have been driving it for the last couple of months, and man, I just should have bloody LOOKED AT IT PROPERLY between May and the test.
So... how far apart the test is shouldn't make any difference - we should be ensuring our cars are roadworthy all the time! Watching my bro pull chunks off my (still shiny!) sills made me feel a tad stupid.
However - two-year tests would cause problems for a lot of small garages who rely on MoTs and associated repairs for their "bread and butter" work. And your average bloke who thinks an MoT is the same as a service is going to end up in a real muddle when his car dies three weeks before a test and he ends up on the "Yes Car Credit" merry-go-round...
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2 year MOT to come in?Nathan
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Nov 29, 2006 10:30:05 GMT
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Think its a bad idea.
As for MOT's I get miffed becuase most of the garages I have ever been to fail the car just to make some money, which does not work as I do the work myself.
This will just make it worse, and yes more ropey cars on the road.
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Nov 29, 2006 10:41:00 GMT
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Maybe they are following the Japanese model ,.. do it every two years and charge 700 quid for it
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Nov 29, 2006 10:51:53 GMT
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Mmm - I'm not quite sure what to think about this latest suggestion - I don't think it will make much of a difference really either way. I presume the test would be conducted in such away that 2 years worth of decay/wear would be taken into account, but for those people that do do alot of miles it puts abit more responsibility on them to make sure their cars are still in a safe condition 18 months after their previous test. My main problem is that like all these new schemes - like the pay as you drive idea is that its 'change' which complicates my life. At the moment it seems the system works quite well, or at least seems pretty fair (obv we would all prefer to pay less tax/duty.... & don't get me started on speed cameras ) But why change the system now if its not about getting more money out of us?
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Nov 29, 2006 10:52:32 GMT
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As for all this bashing of new-car driving maintenance-ignoring 'clowns', modern cars can pretty much run non-stop for 3 years without lifting the bonnet. on the rare occasions when a fault does develop, they can usually diagnose it themselves and issue a clearly-worded instruction to the driver to get it sorted stat. not bashing them mate,speaking from hard earned experience.its the wear and tear items that get over looked,be it ignorance is bliss or be it deliberate,it happens.i've seen cars less than a year old that have completley mullered a full set of pads and discs and the owners excuse was 'well i heard this grinding noise but thought i would leave it for the next service' in the mean time this person is driving around unchecked and could quite easily not have been able to stop if a kid had run out in front of them.now -if there is no check done every year at the mot ,it worries me how long people like this would drive there cars until they decided to get it sorted,it was only that the car was under warranty that he brought it in,if it wasn't i doubt they would have bothered.
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Nov 29, 2006 10:54:27 GMT
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It's a rare case of the motorist being allowed a little extra responsibility for himself. The problem is that people have learned over the last decade or more that they don't have to take responsibility for anything. You can always sue someone, or just go on Trisha and whine about how its not fair and someone should have "protected" you, and the government should "do something about it". Then in the next breath complain about the "nanny state"... My mates 18 month old Primera probably wouldn't pass an MOT. Its not a unique car. He doesn't care as its just a company hack. I bet its fairly typical of thousands of cars less than 3 years old on the road now. An annual inspection isn't much to ask to cover basic road safety.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 29, 2006 11:17:55 GMT
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I hadn't considered it the way Jonny mentioned, yeah a double bill, following a forgotten year off will make more scrappers, even my retro friendly mechanic would advise more to scrap a car if it needed £600+ spending, infact if it needed 350+! I have to agree with MR B's surprise , I too would expect monthly car checks, health checks, flat raids, form filling, blood samples DNA tests and obligotary CCTV tamper tests! I dunno like usual we'll ride the wave i guess.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Nov 29, 2006 11:20:44 GMT
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As for the new car thing, anyone else noticed how often 'new car clowns' use teh brakes! no wonder they wear out. not much thinking, just speeding up and for no reason then jerking on the brakes when they feel out of control abit, usually mid corner! Of course i realise some drivers do understand how to drive.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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