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I was wondering if anyone here has fitted electric power steering to their car. I came across this modification on this site and thought it was a fantastic idea: www.anglia105e.co.uk/pages/mycar/psteering/powers.aspIt looks pretty adaptable and is so simple and self-contained compared with fitting power steering to some retro and classic cars. What do you think? Mike |
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sounds good theres a version fitted to the astra g pumps/bits are avalible at breakers ect
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Its a smart idea if you need PAS. I'm surprised how few older cars need it though. Or am I surprised how many modern cars do need it? For example a car like a 105E doesn't need PAS, even with fairly wide front tyres its a light nimble car. Yet is spiritual equivalent today is the Ka and try one of them without PAS and you'll wonder where all your upper body strength went!
In theory electric PAS should presnet less parasitic drag on the engine and thus mean more power at the road wheels. However I understand that modern PAS pump systems also are designed in such a way that thye only rob power on turns same as an electric PAS would. Someone do a back to back dyno and lets see...
Its interesting from the point of packaging (ie if theres no engine driven pump which can be easily adapted to your car, or if one won't fit due to some whacky engine transplant, and I have heard people talking about varying the electic power to adjust the level of assist to give best feel on the road and best assist during parking...
All intersting stuff if you have a middle-weight car which never had PAS and might benefit from it now.
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Yep, I have one of those to go in the Kadett  You can buy a "Box of tricks" to give you a Pot box on the dash for adjusting assistance I have control of it from speed sensor output on the DTA Ecu ;D It means you can run the quick rack, Big sticky tyres and some decent Castor angles and still be able to park it ;D The other systems like Electric pumps etc, also require a PAS Rack, the E-PAS Column will work on anything |
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Looks class.
Anyone have a wiring diagram for one of those PAS columns?
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markbognor
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I've recently driven a lancia ypsilon hire car in italy, this had electric power steering with an adjustable setting for city and m-way, was very strange having power assistance with only the ignition on but no engine running. This is essentially a fiat in really bad clothes so i guess there must be some small fiats about for bits to be robbed from. cheak out the ugliest car in the world:  |
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I've got hydro electric PAS on my Skoda fabia - and its bloody awful to be honest, saps SO much power its crazy, dims the headlights on full lock at night, and thats with a 90amp alternator and a seriously good battery.....
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Thats "check" btw!
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markbognor
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I've recently driven a lancia ypsilon hire car in italy, this had electric power steering with an adjustable setting for city and m-way, was very strange having power assistance with only the ignition on but no engine running. This is essentially a fiat in really bad clothes so i guess there must be some small fiats about for bits to be robbed from. cheak out the ugliest car in the world:
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 This one? Dunno I kinda like that in an "all the wrong reasons" kind of way |
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Its one of those gadgets i didn't want on my project. want it all nice and simple less bits the better, and an incentive to build muscles on the go! LOL I guess some need it and some benefit from it. My project should be light and nimble, and although the MR2 has a 300mm s/wheel and 26 in the tyres up front, i can handle that, lack of front engine probs helps like!
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There is an EDIT button on your original post ;D Thats an electric pump not the same thing at all, this system is all contained in the column... Yours is a Power assisted RACK with the PAS pump being driven by an electric motor rather than a belt directly from the Crank The assistance is Hydraulic, electrically pumped. E-PAS Column has a worm gear on the column with the electric motor providing assistance directly to the shaft Its fitted to Corsas/Puntos/MGF/Megane etc HTH Dom |
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markbognor
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I really don't seem to be able to operate this computer today.
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Nov 29, 2006 13:51:06 GMT
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I don't like power steering at all, I like to have heavy steering, feels much more positive IMO I have a quick rack on the Escort, small XR3 steering wheel, 195 tyres and a lot of lowering, and the g/f cant physically move the steering wheel, lol! But I find it just fine, even around town, parking etc. I'm suprised by the amount of rally cas that have power steering, i'd have thought it was just more to go wrong. Good link though |
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Nov 29, 2006 16:04:08 GMT
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you cant batter down a forest track at 120mph without power steering, you'd get all your fingers snapped off.
nothing wrong with it if its set up and weighted right, if its easier to steer the car your in more control, most saloon type race cars have had power sterring for years, quick racks and slicks and wierd castor angles make it essential.
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425ci
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Nov 30, 2006 21:34:50 GMT
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Yes, the main reason I thought it was a good idea would be if running wide tyres, awkward geometry and maybe a heavy engine.
I also like the idea of light steering anyway as I can steer my Oldsmobile with the tip of my index finger. Alistair will know exactly what I'm on about here!
With the Anglia installation the only thing that wasn't clear was how he adapted the top half of the column to something that would take his chosen steering wheel. I'm guessing it was a cut and weld job, rather than some handy removable splined section just near that black plastic collar in the pictures.
Mike
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alex
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Nov 30, 2006 22:29:13 GMT
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My Mazda has PAS and it rides nicely. The Astra with PAS I didn't like, so took it off.
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Nov 30, 2006 23:24:29 GMT
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I've got hydro electric PAS on my Skoda fabia - and its bloody awful to be honest, saps SO much power its crazy, dims the headlights on full lock at night, and thats with a 90amp alternator and a seriously good battery..... Was going to say, when the battery went on the Missus's Fabia, we jump started it, finally got the ECU light to go out, then had no power steering for about ten minutes. Then it all came together and she could steer properly again. |
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