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Nov 28, 2006 10:06:13 GMT
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This would be the 260C
OK, they have a straight 6 lump in them. I am assuming 4 speed manaula nd 3 speed auto trans options. They are RWD. They are ballachingly kewl. They are rare and banger racers like them.
This is about all I know.
What suspension system do they use? Strut or double wishbone front and I assume a live axle rear but is that leaf or coil?
Apart from rust do they have any particular issues? I assume body panels are nonexistant for them. What about service and repair parts?
What kind of performance and economy is there from a stocker? What are the easy mods on them?
What about the "family" of engine, what else is it used in (260Z? )
Anything else I need to know?
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Last Edit: Nov 28, 2006 10:09:20 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 28, 2006 10:21:57 GMT
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As I'm now drooling over 280C estates, I'll watch this topic with interest as I know naff all about 1970s J-cars!
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Nov 28, 2006 11:21:09 GMT
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I’ll assume we’re talking about the coke-bottle style 330 models? Sold here early on as 260C, and from 1977/78 as 280C. In fact much also applies to the earlier 230 model, they just have slightly less outlandish styling.
Suspension at front by wishbones, and at the back by solid axle on leaf springs. On a related note they’re 5-stud, 114.3mm PCD. They need quite a big centre bore – CROWN alloys have the same PCD, but you can’t fit them on the front without machining them out.
Service and repair parts should be no real problem, though not 100% sure about anything wishbone-related as that set-up is peculiar to Cedric. Certainly aren’t many panels around (though this isn’t necessarily the case for all 70’s Datsuns). Bumpers a particular issue, and they’re a big bit of the car.
I’ve never yet run one on the road, had a trundle round in one at a show and it was a lovely, squishy drive. I suspect economy would be poor, especially on auto’s, but manual maybe not so bad (and could be improved by fitting a 5-speed). More than fast enough to keep up with daily traffic today I would say.
The L-series ‘six’ engine was used in loads of stuff, it’s what I have in my Laurel and 240K. They’re OHC with a chain. As you say same engine as used in Z/ZX range, so hi-po parts and knowledge applicable from them. Triple Webers etc. Kyteler has done stuff to his. I don’t know if the bigger 2.6/2.8 versions rev so well as the 2/2.4-litre, best just to surf the torque. It is possible to take them out to 3.1, and Janspeed did turbo kits. In UK they came with a single carb as standard, only 240K and 280ZX (plus later Laurels) got fuel injection here.
Head gaskets can go (though never happened to me yet), but otherwise they’re a tough and long-lived engine. Probably better than the straight-six fitted to old CROWNs. Accidentally I recently ran mine with no water and it got very hot, but refilled it seems fine again with good oil pressure and no overheating or loss of fluids.
Unless you’re lucky, they’re not going to be cheap!
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Nov 28, 2006 11:34:52 GMT
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I likes these ones : Chances of getting one at a price I can afford in the UK .... zero!
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Last Edit: Nov 28, 2006 11:38:32 GMT by HoTWire
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Nov 28, 2006 11:34:56 GMT
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Yeah, having seen that one on eBay apparently go for £2K with no MOT... The one I was thinking of was the slightly boxier earlier model which runs about 1970-1976
Thanks for the info.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 28, 2006 11:47:15 GMT
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Well, the only real difference is they’re not so well equipped. No PAS, maybe no EW, that sort of thing. Otherwise very similar. Datman would sell you his estate, JonCedric seems to have saloons come and go.
Late-model 130 Cedrics like HoTWire posted aren’t really much different either. However, I know of precisely zero UK-spec saloons here, though there is one JDM model and the ex-Zimbabwe earlier model. Don’t think they really pushed the big saloons here as there was plenty of competition.
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Nov 28, 2006 12:08:43 GMT
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Which one are you interested in? 130 Cedric Early model (Rare) Late model 230 Cedric 4door Sedan 4door hardtop 2door hardtop (Extremely rare) 330 Cedric Sedan 4door hardtop 2door hardtop (Rare) 430 Cedric Sedan 4door hardtop ;D
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Nov 28, 2006 12:09:33 GMT
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I was actually thinking of Will's wagon. Caught my eye as "for sale" in his sig on another forum just a day after Doubleclutch's Gloria got my juices flowing here... I would have to seel something to buy it which is always the hold up. I think I might prefer a saloon but wagoms are useful.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 28, 2006 12:11:28 GMT
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Hi Doubleclutch, its the C230 and C330 models I have seen and like. 4 door saloon is the best we can hope for over here. That black one has a window in the rear pillar the ones over here did not I think? C230 is the prefference I think.
C130 is a nice looking ride too! Not seen one of those before.
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Last Edit: Nov 28, 2006 12:12:32 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 28, 2006 12:11:36 GMT
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Sorry, some pictures that I posted were not Cedric, they were Gloria. Basically they are the same car since 230. Gloria was based on Prince Gloria, but Price motors was bought by Nissan, then they became the same design.
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Nov 28, 2006 12:23:03 GMT
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Confusingly, no 'C' in the model codes for Cedric/Gloria. C130, C230 etc refers to Laurel range.
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Nov 28, 2006 12:31:12 GMT
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oops. my bad. I wondered why google images was coming up with stuff I didn't expect! LOL. I do rather like the Laurels of the same vintage as well. Anyone got photos of moddified ones of either? Cedric/Gloria/Laurel of the appropriate styles? Mmmmmmmmm
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 28, 2006 12:38:05 GMT
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i particularly like this style one.
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Nov 28, 2006 12:45:31 GMT
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This is one of my favourite Cedrics ever!
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Nov 28, 2006 13:55:21 GMT
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Damn you Hotwire. My employer will be invoicing you shortly for a new keyboard as I just shot a wad over mine looking at that Cedric!
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 28, 2006 14:28:21 GMT
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Modified 330s.. They are 4door hardtop, so they have pillar-less doors. Sorry I'm not sure about exported model.
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Nov 28, 2006 14:33:58 GMT
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We didn't get the Pillareless ones I think,... but I know Ed Ratley was building one... If I could import any car from Japan it would be an early Cedric like the custom one I posted, or a 330c Hardtop ... ... ... or a TS-cup Sunny
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Nov 28, 2006 14:44:08 GMT
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We didn't get the Pillareless ones I think,... but I know Ed Ratley was building one....... Correct, we only get normal sedans and estates (wagons in Japan, rather than the commercial style 'vans'). Ed was building a suicide-doored coupe out of a 4dr sedan, but then he got a proper JDM 4dr hardtop which awaits his attention. There was a JDM 330 coupe in the UK, but haven't seen it for a little while. Reputedly one got raced 10+ years ago at Foxhall, but I've yet to see a picture. Lucky Europe got 230 coupes, I've seen one in Norway.
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Nov 28, 2006 14:49:16 GMT
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Whats involved in exporting an older car from Japan? Is it as easy as it is from the US? That 330 on Cragras looks neat. I prefer the round lights of the one on the left. Reminds me of a 1966 Dodge Monaco
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Last Edit: Nov 28, 2006 14:49:50 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Nov 28, 2006 19:46:10 GMT
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i had a drive in a 2 door 330 about 10 od dyrs ago at Fred Coupe Preston dealers. My interest made one of the coupes buy it himself, typical. Then some kid had it at Billing a few times and never seen it again. I was lucky owner of a 230 72 240C auto too, and now have to make do with a 92 MerCedric Y30 he he. www.toyotaenthusiasts.com/Features/Y32%20MerCedric/Y32_MerCedric.htm
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