bl1300
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The story goes as such.
I delivered the car to the tester with a fully working engine. Than ran sweetly with no knocks or undue noises.
The tester phones me this afternoon and asks me to come down for a little chat. When I get there I find him under the bonnet with the starter motor off trying to turn the engine by the starter ring with a screwdriver and not succeeding. Naturally at the sight of this I am not a very happy customer!
He tells me yeah it was running lovely this morning and I went for lunch, came back and went to start it and nothing. Ive checked its not in gear and cant see anything obviously broken without stripping the engine but she will not turn at all! The clutch drum is now siezed which would make driving her very difficult as there is no way of disengaging the clutch but she should still start in neutral regardless.
Do I have a case against him should the engine now need serious work. I am sure that something they have done has caused this as there were no untoward noises and it siezed up whilst off. I really hope this isn't the case and its just one of those things as ive built up a rappor with him. But if his error has caused me a full engine rebuild then I feel he ought to pay to rectify the damage. Obviously I would only try and persue things when I know what is wrong with it and whether or not the fault lies with him.
I have never heard of anything like this before nor of an engine randomly siezing up with no warning, especially when it has the correct level of oil in it!
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1967 DAF 44
1974 VW Beetle 1303s
1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV
1988 VW LT45 Beavertail
1998 Volvo V70 2.5
1959 Fordson Dexta
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Good luck with that
I put my van into Kwik Fit and when I went to collect it - it wouldn't start. Timing chain had jumped a few teeth. They just told me to F*ck off
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What could he have done to cause it though??
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What action during the MOT test could have caused the engine to seize? I can't see how the tester could have done something to directly cause it.
The only scenario I can think of is that the engine suddenly lost oil pressure whilst warming up and the tester not present to shut it off to prevent damage, or the timing belt / chain snapping. Neither of those are really the tester's fault as they could have happened anywhere, and they can't really be responsible for components failing during normal test conditions.
I dunno, maybe they were negligent in some way, or maybe they have some kind of insurance to cover this sort of thing, but to me it just seems like a bit of bad luck.
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Last Edit: Jul 4, 2012 21:16:24 GMT by BenzBoy
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Seth
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Could he have put it on the rollers and made something break on teh transmission side?
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Split-Lee
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It could be when reving it up for the emissions test?
We have had diesels start burning oil and reving their curse word off and you have to stall them to stop them going bang, more than once. Due to poor maintenance (not suggesting this is your problem).
~Lee
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bl1300
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Any transmission related problems should not stop the engine turning over in neutral as its just like having a manual out of gear. No chance of a timing belt or chain snapping as it doesn't have either these engines are direct gear timed.
Now he did have the carb apart to clean the jets as it has a habit of blocking the idle jet up so I wonder if something got inadvertantly dropped down the inlet manifold resulting in a valve getting jammed open. I wont be trying for anything untill I have that engine in pieces in front of me and can see what has happened. It just all seems to unlikely to be mere conicedence at the moment.
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Current fleet.
1967 DAF 44
1974 VW Beetle 1303s
1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV
1988 VW LT45 Beavertail
1998 Volvo V70 2.5
1959 Fordson Dexta
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bl1300
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It could be when reving it up for the emissions test? We have had diesels start burning oil and reving their curse word off and you have to stall them to stop them going bang, more than once. Due to poor maintenance (not suggesting this is your problem). ~Lee Emissions on this is just a visual inspection its a petrol engine from 1967. Ive seen diesels run away as well and it is quite a spectacle. Besides id of expected anyone in the building to hear that happening. I just got told it was running really really sweetly and then when I switched it off I couldn't turn over again. It never got as far as the test it was just driven into the workshop and then the engine siezed. |
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Current fleet.
1967 DAF 44
1974 VW Beetle 1303s
1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV
1988 VW LT45 Beavertail
1998 Volvo V70 2.5
1959 Fordson Dexta
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Lawsy
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first off, its one of the reasons i always try and stay with the car when the MOT takes place so you can watch etc
secondly, why did he have the carb in pieces if going for an MOT - did you ask him too? ar eyou not setting up yourself as a mobile mechanic??
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bl1300
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Cause the bloody thing blocked up on the way and I'm waiting for a new tank to arrive that should rectify that problem and he cant test it if it wont idle.
For the sake of asking him to quickly undo six screws and two jeta rather than taking it home and then bringing it back for test another day it really didn't seem worth the extra hassle. Wish id done it myself now! I also don't carry tools when taking a car for an MOT as they have a habit of dissapearing!
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Current fleet.
1967 DAF 44
1974 VW Beetle 1303s
1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV
1988 VW LT45 Beavertail
1998 Volvo V70 2.5
1959 Fordson Dexta
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stealthstylz
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Maybe it overheated if they left it sat idling, been pretty hot today.
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froggy
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If its locked solid then its most likely a bottom end seizure due to poor pressure or flow from a blocked strainer . Even if something had dropped into the inlet it would still turn over to some degree .
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Rich
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MOT tester has siezed my engine!Rich
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I'd side with matt here, overheat induced sizeure. I think you'll have a hard job getting anything back from the garage as its your responsibility to make sure the vehicle is in a testable condition. Also, sorry to hear its all gone t*ts up  |
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ruffgeezer
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Yeah, I think it would be worth trying to find out for sure what happened before posting up "mot tester seized my engine" or you might find the rapport you have built up with your tester disappears pretty sharpish.
You don't mention what car this is, but there are any number of possible causes, all that I'd ask is that you please look into it with an open mind before you call out the mot man, an unwarranted bad rep is hard to shift, and something garages REALLY don't need with times as they are believe me.
Some practical advice though, have you tried pulling the plugs out and then seeing if she'll turn over?
How has the clutch drum become seized?
Also dip the oil, is there any there? How clean/dirty is it? Has any petrol got down the bores and possibly hydraulically locked the engine?
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fogey
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Pretty sure you do have a timing chain on the front of the engine between camshaft and crankshaft . . . assuming we are talking BL1300, bl1300?
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RobinJI
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I think we're talking Daf, rather than BL1300, can't remember which Daf model though.
As others have said, it'd be best not to accuse the garage of anything, (whether you directly say it, or imply it in a title) until you know the facts, you'd be pretty hacked off if it was the other way around with your new business wouldn't you?
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If stuff goes missing from your car at MOT time, I'd say the rapport is worth nothing.
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bl1300
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Maybe it overheated if they left it sat idling, been pretty hot today. Wish I was where you were it didn't get above 14 degrees here or stop raining. The car is a DAF 44. I must say I was in a pretty bad mood last night. She shall be towed home today and then i'll pull the engine and see whats gone wrong. I'm thinking a clutch shoe lining has broken free found its way between the drum and bellhousing and simply locked it up solid at least I hope thats whats happened. For reasons of not destroying his reputation at least untill I know whats happened I have deliberatly not mentioned which garage she is in. On there behalf I will say this I've literally had him do hundreds of MOTs for me in the past with no issues whatsover. |
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Last Edit: Jul 5, 2012 8:15:17 GMT by bl1300
Current fleet.
1967 DAF 44
1974 VW Beetle 1303s
1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV
1988 VW LT45 Beavertail
1998 Volvo V70 2.5
1959 Fordson Dexta
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bl1300
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Have a pic of the inside of another identical engine.  As you can see no timing chain there. Crankshaft is forged rather than cast. 2 pistons from two different engines built 5 years apart had a weight difference of less that 1g and the conrods less than 0.5g The bottom end of these little DAF engines is ludicrously over engineered such to the point that bottom end issues are almost unheard of. Now this is what I think is likely to have happened.   One or more of those clutch linings has delaminated and jammed the flywheel. Now if one has somehow managed to get outside the drum it would just lock everything up. If I am right then the likely cause is people attempting to engage a gear from neutral with the engine running. Which the cars handbook expressly tells you not to do. |
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Last Edit: Jul 5, 2012 8:30:16 GMT by bl1300
Current fleet.
1967 DAF 44
1974 VW Beetle 1303s
1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV
1988 VW LT45 Beavertail
1998 Volvo V70 2.5
1959 Fordson Dexta
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