lae
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Jun 27, 2012 12:05:43 GMT
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Hello,
I've just bought a car that I've been after for a long time... but it's got some problems. It's a 1979 W123 200D (the 2 litre diesel)
Firstly, and most importantly, the engine is seriously lacking in power. It seemed fine on the test drive, but on the motorway it was struggling to get up to 60 (top speed should be about 80-85 according to various internet sources), then this dropped to about 45, at which point I called it a day and called my insurance to come and pick me up. I've got a fuel and air filter coming today - I think there's a good chance that the fuel filter will do it.
Oil pressure is also high on idle and through the roof when revved.
Any thoughts? Annoyingly it's parked on the road and if it's not an easy repair I might have to sell it.
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Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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Jun 27, 2012 15:15:42 GMT
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Fuel filter would be my first thought. Does yours have a drain on it? My 200tdi did the same once because the filter was full of water from a dodgy batch of diesel.
Also clean out the sedimenter if you have one.
Blocked air filter next. Did you try dumping the filter totally and trying it for a short while?
Cam & pump timing is up next. Plenty of scope for a numpty changing the cam belt and getting the pump timing wrong.
Its a good looking beastie, persevere with it!
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Koos
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lae
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Jun 27, 2012 15:18:59 GMT
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Thanks, I have got hold of the fuel filter which I can pop on tomorrow (when the car comes off the transporter...). I can't clean out the fuel tank gauze strainer quite yet because I don't have the required 43mm socket.
I thought about removing the air filter on the way home. Thought better of it since its a long journey. I'll give it a quick blast tomorrow night.
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Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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lae
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Jun 27, 2012 15:21:03 GMT
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Also, it doesn't turn off very easily - I think the vacuum pipe from the on-off knob is knackered. Could this have anything to do with it - perhaps the engine is running 'half off' despite the knob being pulled all the way out? Is there a way to bypass this?
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Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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markbognor
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Jun 27, 2012 16:05:13 GMT
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Hope you get this sorted. I had a '76 200D. My residing memory of it is that it was slow. Hideously slow.
Running on could be the vacuum pump diaphram having a hole, iirc it'll pull oil up from the engine and into the inlet manifold. Mine did this in a big way and produced lots of smoke.
I can't really remember but that knob you speak of can be wound in and out, for cold starts, is it by chance not wound all the way back in? Do you also have trouble getting the ignition key out, I'm sure that there was a mechanism linking the two.
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Jun 27, 2012 16:39:09 GMT
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Drop an OM606 in it!! :-)
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Koos
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lae
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Jun 27, 2012 19:54:53 GMT
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Hole in the vacuum pump diaphragm sounds expensive. The knob is just used to start and stop the engine; pull it out to start it, push it in to turn it off. It works on vacuum.
I've got the fuel filter; does it need to be full of diesel? If so, time to buy a siphon pump to get some out of the tank. In my mind I've already lost so much money on it that I can't bear to spend another penny on it.
Jesus christ, why did I buy this car? I've put it up on the For Sale section, I just don't want it. Or maybe I do. Serious mojo swings on this one.
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Last Edit: Jun 27, 2012 20:23:53 GMT by lae
Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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Jun 27, 2012 20:33:49 GMT
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make sure diesel pump is fully open when throtle is flat out , if i rember they had like a p'clip effort to hold cable near pump , you may not be getting flat out
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2005 e61 m'sport 1979 chevy c10
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Jun 27, 2012 20:35:58 GMT
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Don't panic. Its more likely to be something simple rather than something expensive - have you checked the engine oil level - too full and it will start to hydrolic and possibly run off its own oil, this would explain the oil pressure reading as well.
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Last Edit: Jun 27, 2012 20:44:47 GMT by dodgerover
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lae
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Jun 27, 2012 20:43:53 GMT
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unclefester, I was going to have a look at the throttle linkage, thanks for the technical info as I know nothing about this car (don't even have a Haynes manual). dodgerover - yes, perhaps it is overfilled. This may explain the high oil pressure too (I see your ninja edit there ). It's running on pump diesel; it's never had veg oil in it afaik. 'Don't panic' is probably the best advice. I had a curse word experience within half an hour of buying it, but I shouldn't let that put me off of even attempting to fix it. As my boss said "For heavens' sake, stop being such a wimp about it. It's just a machine!"
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Last Edit: Jun 27, 2012 20:51:35 GMT by lae
Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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Jun 28, 2012 15:59:59 GMT
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I like your bosses attitude!! :-)
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Koos
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lae
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Jun 28, 2012 18:53:04 GMT
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Heh, me too. The Merc is arriving tomorrow morning so I'll get to work on it.
Could anyone talk me through how to bleed and prime the fuel system on these? There's a primer pump, but is there a bleed valve anywhere, or should I unhook the injector lines whilst pumping to bleed the air out? Or both?
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Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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Jun 28, 2012 23:49:42 GMT
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If you refill the filter before replacing it then you shouldn't need to bleed, on the older mercs there was a bleed screw on the end of the pump, however i can remember a lot of cranking with injector lines slackened to remove the rest of the air.
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The usual causes are; fuel filters, fuel tank strainer and unadjusted valves. Also leaky lines will cause problems (air lock etc.). Whilst your at it, adjust the valves too. It's often neglected on these engines (you'll know why once you try ;D). Valve clearances should be on a smal sticker on the slam panel.
IIRC these old pumps are bled by the hand-pump ontop of the lift pump. Turn to unlock and pump away...
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lae
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Jun 29, 2012 11:13:39 GMT
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Adjusting the valves doesn't seem too bad from the looks of things! I'm moving to somewhere with a driveway on Sunday so I can hopefully clean out the strainer then.
This car has had an aftermarket bulb-type primer fitted - the seller mentioned that the original one was broken. Perhaps it's sucking in air if it wasn't fitted properly. The proper Mercedes ones seem to be cheap enough so I'll replace this pronto.
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Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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Jun 29, 2012 13:56:05 GMT
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some of those bulbs on certain engines can suck in on themselves and stop fuel flow. My mates caddy was doing this when doing higher speeds.
i have had one on mine for ages with no issues, altho when i tried fitting the same one to a ford td engine the thing wouldnt even run, it was stopping fuel flow completely.
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lae
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Jun 29, 2012 14:08:23 GMT
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Aha. Thanks for the tip. I'll be replacing it anyway, but I'll rev it and see if I can see it collapsing in on itself.
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Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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rr69h
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Jun 29, 2012 14:21:10 GMT
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This is very likely since the valve clearances have to be adjusted regularly and many garages seem to not know this. There are indeed a number of possible reasons, which can be cross-checked. Valve clearances: if the valves are too tight the OM61X-engines will be hard to start, too. Injection pump diaphram: usually comes with lots of black smoke from the exhaust. They are easy to swap and don't cost an arm and a leg, but they aren't exactly cheap. Merc took about 50 Euros from my wallet last time I had to do this. Leaky fuel system: is you can see air-bubbles in the fuel lines connected to the filter housing something's amiss. The most likely culprit should be manual pump at the injection pump. Merc sells you a new one on the cheap. Clogged up fuel system: going for the filters is always a very good start. If you find your in-line filter clogging up regularly the mesh-filter inside the fuel-tank should be checked over. Oh and in regards to your oil-pressure: call yourself lucky! An indicated pressure of 3 bar indicates a very healthy engine with very good main bearings.
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lae
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Jun 29, 2012 15:04:40 GMT
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It has arrived! Bit of a mojo killer unfortunately. It won't start and the glow-plug light doesn't come on - which it used to. Also, when it broke down the first time, the indicators also stopped working. I'm still undecided as to whether I should keep it, or whether I should cut my losses and run.
If it won't start then I can't drive it over to my new place where I can work on it. It's all a bit curse word, really.
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Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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Jun 29, 2012 16:23:23 GMT
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When you say it won't start, do you mean it won't turn over, or that it turns but won't run?
If the former, have you checked the battery?
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