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Nov 23, 2006 21:36:41 GMT
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So what the heck is going on?
Now you can't see who else is bidding on an item. Just 'bidder 1', 'bidder 2' and so on.
Thus allowing massive amounts of bid-shielding and shill-bidding to go on.
Crazy. The beginning of the end?
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
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Nov 23, 2006 21:39:40 GMT
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I can see what they are trying to do but really they haven't thought it through.
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Nov 23, 2006 21:44:28 GMT
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ive just been on, and i noticed this too. now that is very annoying.
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"quote hairnet"
I'm not paying nine pound for a pi$$!
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guy
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Nov 23, 2006 21:50:58 GMT
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But i cant see how it would affect us? If anything i believe that ebay has tried to stop a problem which is beginning to get serious. If the sellers are gonna bid them selves up then this will neither help them or stop them?
Pog, What do you mean by 'bid-shielding and shill-bidding' I havent heard these terms before?
Guy
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Odin
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Nov 23, 2006 21:51:10 GMT
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I noticed this and initially thought it was some clown with the comedy ID 'Bidder 2'. The problem is - how will we know if we're bidding against each other? How ghey.
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bstardchild
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Ebay: The rules change again!bstardchild
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Nov 23, 2006 21:52:44 GMT
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We would like to let you know about an important Trust & Safety initiative that will be launching on eBay.co.uk within the next few days. Since eBay began in 1995, it’s been our job to balance the need for openness and transparency in the marketplace, with the need to protect our Community of members from the threats that have appeared as the Internet has flourished. As the Community has grown, we’ve had to take measures to protect our members that also reduce transparency.
From the beginning, any member of the Community could request the contact details of any other member and the bidding process was very transparent. As we grew, we limited communication to members involved in transactions with each other. Then in 2003, we eliminated the public display of email addresses from the site, and therefore required thousands of people to set up new User IDs. Naturally, as we’ve stepped up education and other efforts to improve safety, potential fraudsters continued their efforts to try to exploit our members.
The User IDs of members -- plus their member information such as feedback and previous bidding and/or buying activity -- have always been freely available to anyone visiting the site. Members have been able to access this information from the item page, bid history page, and Advanced Search by Bidder feature. Unfortunately, while bid history and contact information about trading colleagues are helpful when evaluating a transaction, and provide a level of trust within the transaction. fraudsters can use this information for potentially harmful purposes.
One way they use this information is to send spam emails, spoof emails, and fake Second Chance Offer emails. While legitimate Second Chance Offer emails are a great tool on eBay that give sellers the ability to offer another buyer an additional item they may have available, fake Second Chance Offers and other types of solicitations sent by fraudsters generally lure the targeted member off the eBay website and collect payment through an unsafe payment method, such as wire transfer -- all while providing the false impression that eBay endorses the transaction.
As our Community knows, the problem of spam, spoof and fake Second Chance Offer emails has not gone away. In fact, despite industry-leading efforts to educate the Community about online safety (eBay Toolbar, tutorials and safety messaging), partnering with law enforcement and industry groups, and investments in technology that make the site safer, we’ve seen this problem grow. Increasingly, sellers and buyers have turned to us for a solution.
Introducing the Safeguarding Member IDs Project The Safeguarding Member IDs project is a new approach to auction-style listings that offers more privacy for our members through changing how bidding information is displayed. Following intensive development and review, as well as Community input, we believe the Safeguarding Member IDs project provides the Community with enough information about the bidders involved in an auction-style listing for them to feel confident in placing a bid -- without revealing actual User IDs. We’re implementing this new system on listings with a high bid of £100 or greater, which is where we believe it can have the greatest positive impact. The bid information for listings where the bid is lower than £100 will display as it does today.
Here’s what will change for listings with a high bid of £100 or more:
On the bid history page for each listing we’ll replace member User IDs with aliases (such as Bidder 1, Bidder 2 and Bidder 3) in the order of their bids placed. For each bidder involved in a listing, we’ll display the number of bids in unique categories that they’ve placed, a range that their feedback score falls within (i.e. 10-49, for instance), their percentage of positive feedback, their length of time as an eBay member, and the number of bids they’ve placed on the item. At the end of a listing, the winning bidder’s User ID will be displayed on the item page. Please note: Sellers will still be able to access bidder information on their listings through the Bid History page and the My eBay selling table. In My eBay, members will no longer have access to the high-bidder column from bid and watch tables. On the item page, you’ll only be able to see the high-bidder ID if you are the signed-in seller of the item or the signed-in high bidder. Through the Advanced Search by Bidder link, we’ll only show completed listings within the last 30 days. Future enhancements are being designed that will provide even more transaction data about the bidders and seller involved in a transaction. We’ll continue to update the community on these changes as these plans become finalised.
Safeguarding Member IDs - Launch plans Even the smallest changes on the eBay marketplace may have unexpected effects, and we want to move forward carefully. While we are cautious of making changes to the site during the Christmas period, we feel strongly that this is the right thing to do for the Community.
We rolled out these changes on eBay Motors in the United States a couple of weeks ago and we have decided to adopt these changes for eBay.co.uk starting next week. If all goes well, we could implement the Safeguarding Bidder IDs project on eBay.com in early 2007.
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Nov 23, 2006 21:54:47 GMT
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It means that 'bidder 1' is a genuine bidder. 'Bidder 2' is a spurious ID set up by the seller. 'Bidder 2' places a new bid to counter 'bidder 1' in order to push up the price artificially. With the old system it was easy to spot as the seller would often be too stupid / greedy, and would continually use the same shill account. Now you can't tell if you are being 'trotted up'. At the end of the day, the more stuff sells for, the more money eBay makes. Call me cynical but THAT is the reason they have done it, not to protect buyers or sellers.
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guy
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Nov 23, 2006 21:55:46 GMT
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^^^ Ok now i see your point!!!
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bstardchild
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Ebay: The rules change again!bstardchild
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Nov 23, 2006 21:55:56 GMT
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Best bit - private marked feedback means you can't list items for aution anymore
Bidder 1 Bidder 2 thingy - well if I'm bidding on anything I'll just stick a post up saying i'm bidder 1 ;D
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guy
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Nov 23, 2006 21:57:56 GMT
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I can see an R-R 'What I'm biddin on thread' ?
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Last Edit: Nov 23, 2006 21:58:22 GMT by guy
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Nov 23, 2006 21:59:49 GMT
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if you search bidder location - you can still (sometimes) work out the scam - but i agree this is a step backwards in the honesty stakes
The ebay forums are buzzing with this at the moment and an organized boycot of ebay sellers is coming soon
I am now looking for other on-line places to buy spares etc.
ebay have shot themselves in the foot - and are blaming the scammers - while ebay is protecting the dodgy sellers
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
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Nov 23, 2006 22:01:15 GMT
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I quite agree with you Autofive.... The eBay fees go up and up and up while they do sweet FA to actually stop any hookey activity. Reckon it's time to get back to ol' fashioned jumbling.
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bstardchild
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Ebay: The rules change again!bstardchild
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Nov 23, 2006 22:27:11 GMT
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I've already emailed ebay
Precis of email
I've been an ebay for several years and always been alert to the risks of shill bidding - in fact I have reported countless occasions where shill bidding has been obvious and that has resulted in the suspension of several ebayers
- your changes to the bidding process now allows shill bidders to easily profit from the process hidden by anonimity and no doubt inflating the final value fees
my actions will be as follows
I will only bid on auctions where the ebay bidders identities are displayed (ie under £100)
i will only use Buy It Now facility for items above £100 where bidder ID's are not displayed and where I think the item represents good value
This is a step backwards for ebay
BC
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guy
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Nov 23, 2006 22:30:28 GMT
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Would it be ok if i were to send the same email to them? So to show that the members of ebay are unhappy with this situation?
Guy
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Nov 23, 2006 22:34:52 GMT
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You'll not get anywhere with them TBH.
Ebay and customer service are mutually exclusive.
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bstardchild
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Nov 23, 2006 22:36:25 GMT
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Would it be ok if I were to send the same email to them? So to show that the members of ebay are unhappy with this situation? Guy As you wish - I can't see it making a darn gosh damn's woth off difference but fill yer boots chap What really piddles me off is spotting shill bidders is a bit of a hobby of mine and good fun when the forums are quiet and I can't sleep Now I can't so I guess I ned to find some other activity that is as rewarding!!!
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bstardchild
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Ebay: The rules change again!bstardchild
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Nov 23, 2006 22:38:04 GMT
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You'll not get anywhere with them TBH. Ebay and customer service are mutually exclusive. I know Votting with your feet is the way forward alerting the media and causing a curse word storm with ebay under the spotlight is the other guess what i'm now doing
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Nov 23, 2006 22:41:32 GMT
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Its pretty clear that ebay have a monopoly and can do whatever they like, their service is pretty dreadful on all levels. Bring on the boycott! I only ever buy stuff on there that I don't fuggin need anyway.
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bstardchild
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Nov 23, 2006 22:42:57 GMT
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I only ever buy stuff on there that I don't fuggin need anyway. You meant that too didn't you!!!
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This does suck a fat one but I don't let shill bidding affect me to much by only ever bidding at the last second with the top ammount I'm prepared to pay, if it goes for more it goes to someone else simple. What other auction sites are there? and can a mass exedos happen?
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