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May 28, 2012 19:33:08 GMT
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Scaremongering is "petrol is going to be £100 a gallon tomorrow" , with no facts to back it up. Can I see the source on your earlier comment about car shortages in ten years? In 10 years time there will be a shortage of cheap available vehicles as technology overload means vehicles scrapped due to cost of repairs much earlier and what is left cannot be modified. Our concern re new technology is nothing new. Agreed, the arguments expressed were all thought to be valid when OBD-II or CANBus or ABS or airbags started to become common. I'd expect someone as experienced as some of your previous posts suggest you are to be more relaxed about the possible or feared implications because you've seen it all before. What about trying to find out why a very small minority of owners (the historic cars mob, Lord Thingy and his Rolls Royce Apline driving chums) have such a huge influence when it comes to legislation like this? They seem to be the only ones who responded positively to this when it was proposed.
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May 28, 2012 20:13:31 GMT
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The info is on the internet, it already shows we have the oldest fleet of non Historics on the road, with average life expectancy of 17 years .Comparing year on year figures that is changing and we are now up by around 3 years to 14 years.
Nope, not relaxed about implications even still. Seen them go with no outcome, seen them put into place.
The difference bewteen the two , someone spoke up about one and not about the other.
I think I've already put in this post without a major campaign back in 1976 we wouldn't even be having this conversation as car modifying would already have been history for almost 40 years.
On a personal level all of this will create no problems .Just trying to ensure an ongoing future for others.
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Last Edit: May 29, 2012 7:14:28 GMT by kapri
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May 29, 2012 16:49:35 GMT
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May 29, 2012 19:40:29 GMT
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Is that the same guy that was trying to legalise ringing with second hand shells? Nice to see that safety gets mentioned as only as the 7th point of 9, and even then only from a 'who's going to get blamed if I have an accident?' point of view. Clearly the insurance premium and transferable 'plate is far more important I absolutely agree with the petition, but I wish he'd taken the time to word it better and make it look less selfishly motivated.
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...proper medallion man chest wig motoring.
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May 29, 2012 20:38:44 GMT
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I absolutely agree with the petition, but I wish he'd taken the time to word it better and make it look less selfishly motivated. Be fair, it's better than a lot of the petitions that appear there. No extreme political views, demands for totally unreasonable concessions and it has decent punctuation. I think the number plate issue or the uncertainty around insurance will be what wins a u-turn or ammendment on this, if anything does. A lot of the historic owners are running cars with a history that's worth much more than whatever potentially valuable number plate happens to be on it but there are lots of historics that are not worth anything like as much as the number plate it's wearing.
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May 29, 2012 21:02:03 GMT
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I absolutely agree with the petition, but I wish he'd taken the time to word it better and make it look less selfishly motivated. Be fair, it's better than a lot of the petitions that appear there. No extreme political views, demands for totally unreasonable concessions and it has decent punctuation. I think the number plate issue or the uncertainty around insurance will be what wins a u-turn or ammendment on this, if anything does. A lot of the historic owners are running cars with a history that's worth much more than whatever potentially valuable number plate happens to be on it but there are lots of historics that are not worth anything like as much as the number plate it's wearing. I don't disagree with that at all. I just think if I was going to write a petition for it, I'd make the main issue that of safety (which I genuinely believe is the main issue) rather than cost or the possibility of losing out on trading something that is owned by Doovla anyway; owning a classic car is, for nearly all, a non-essential hobby, and with many of the cars this relates to being worth tens of thousands of pounds (and more!), a few quid on the car insurance premium or on an event's public liability insurance shouldn't really be that much of a concern. I expect I am in a minority in having a car that this effects that's worth less than a couple grand and used on a regular basis so perhaps my views aren't quite as well heard
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...proper medallion man chest wig motoring.
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May 29, 2012 22:10:44 GMT
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I expect I am in a minority in having a car that this effects that's worth less than a couple grand and used on a regular basis so perhaps my views aren't quite as well heard Aye, that nicely sums the whole thing up for me.
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May 29, 2012 22:36:03 GMT
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Can someone explain to me what the benefits of the MOT exemption are? I mean, from the perspective of the government. Will it be saving money? If so, how? Are MOT tests subsidised or something?
Sorry for a stupid question, but I really cant get my head around why its even happening.
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May 29, 2012 22:57:47 GMT
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I really cant get my head around why its even happening. The present Government made a commitment to cutt red tape as widely as possible so I think this happened because it affects relatively few people and doesn't cost much to implement but can be held up as a promise delivered upon.
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May 29, 2012 23:05:36 GMT
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I really cant get my head around why its even happening. The present Government made a commitment to cutt red tape as widely as possible so I think this happened because it affects relatively few people and doesn't cost much to implement but can be held up as a promise delivered upon. Cheers mate.
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95 signatures so far ...that'll make them sit up and pay attention now then.
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Strange, 96 have signed, then i sign, and its still 96
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MOT exemption FACTS.OVY871
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checked your e-mails to do the confirmation that you've signed it?
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May 31, 2012 11:43:52 GMT
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95 signatures so far ...that'll make them sit up and pay attention now then. So what can be done if using the official petition system isn't likely to be effective?
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...proper medallion man chest wig motoring.
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May 31, 2012 13:57:06 GMT
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Apart from mounting a direct campaign not a lot, except sit back and accept what is going on. There are bigger issues that affect more that recieve little supoort so I guess it'll be a fait accompli.
The whole exemption has been poorly thought out , poorly researched and rushed through with glaring ommisions /oversights in the Impact Assesment document . We have tried to get answers from various places and they have no idea what is happening either.
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May 31, 2012 16:56:23 GMT
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Apart from mounting a direct campaign not a lot, except sit back and accept what is going on. There are bigger issues that affect more that recieve little supoort so I guess it'll be a fait accompli. What about the ACE members? Nothing you can do to persuade them to sign the petition?
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May 31, 2012 17:44:36 GMT
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Borrowed this off another site, sums it all up nicely;
"There's is a back agenda to this. If cars become Test Exempt then the next step will be to limit their mileage and allowed speed on grounds of safety. Some EU countries are already doing this.
The next step is then to limit them to only using public roads on weekends and public holidays and to impose 'safety' speed limits, say 50kph. This is being discussed in some EU countries.
The next step would bring the MOT exemption in for more modern vehicles - lets say the same as tax exemption.
And then if tax exemption is rolled forward as well then we all have a problem.
So what seems like a gift is actually the thin end of a very nasty wedge.
Vote against MOT exemption."
Makes sense to me. Get all the old curse word off the road by stealth.
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May 31, 2012 19:12:49 GMT
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Apart from mounting a direct campaign not a lot, except sit back and accept what is going on. There are bigger issues that affect more that recieve little supoort so I guess it'll be a fait accompli. What about the ACE members? Nothing you can do to persuade them to sign the petition? We don't run ACE as a club so YOU are all the ACE members on here, and every forum, and anyone that bothers to read the website and take action. We are here to keep track of the facts and bring them to everyones attention.
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May 31, 2012 19:17:09 GMT
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Borrowed this off another site, sums it all up nicely; "There's is a back agenda to this. If cars become Test Exempt then the next step will be to limit their mileage and allowed speed on grounds of safety. Some EU countries are already doing this. The next step is then to limit them to only using public roads on weekends and public holidays and to impose 'safety' speed limits, say 50kph. This is being discussed in some EU countries. The next step would bring the MOT exemption in for more modern vehicles - lets say the same as tax exemption. And then if tax exemption is rolled forward as well then we all have a problem. So what seems like a gift is actually the thin end of a very nasty wedge. Vote against MOT exemption." Makes sense to me. Get all the old curse word off the road by stealth. I'm glad you said that and not me We get accused of scaremongering enough as is . There is no doubt that mileage and usage restrictions exist in other EU countries and the pre 60 MOT exemption is also something that every EU country is allowed to offer if it chooses . There is NO proof that mileages restrictions etc will come to this country ( the first sniff of proof and ACE will be shouting from th rooftops ) BUT it does seem a logical progression.. We already know from speaking with german modifiers that things are tightening up in their country.
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May 31, 2012 19:49:13 GMT
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Borrowed this off another site, sums it all up nicely; "There's is a back agenda to this. If cars become Test Exempt then the next step will be to limit their mileage and allowed speed on grounds of safety. Some EU countries are already doing this. The next step is then to limit them to only using public roads on weekends and public holidays and to impose 'safety' speed limits, say 50kph. This is being discussed in some EU countries. The next step would bring the MOT exemption in for more modern vehicles - lets say the same as tax exemption. And then if tax exemption is rolled forward as well then we all have a problem. So what seems like a gift is actually the thin end of a very nasty wedge. Vote against MOT exemption." Makes sense to me. Get all the old curse word off the road by stealth. Ive been saying similar for a long time and been flamed for saying it too...not that i care. Somewhere along the line its all gone a bit a**e about, surely? Instead of demanding exemption from this or that we should be demanding INCLUSION!! VED? ALL vehicles using the road should pay it. So what if you only do 500 miles a year, its not a bloody right to own a Classic/retro/modified vehicle, nobody is breaking your arms to have one. Its a hobby and hobbys cost money. Why do people whinge? You cant afford it, you don't have it. Simple. Inclusion prevents segregation, it would stop any cut off points and put any Government on a very sticky wicket in terms of trying to legislate your 40 year old car out of City centres, off of Motorways and off the road completely except for Sundays and only of you don't cover more than 1000 a year.. Some people appear to be like Turkeys voting for Christmas, utterly short sighted and bone headed only seeing short term "gain" without having the foresight to look into the possible future ramifications. I cant see insurers jumping at Insuring MOT exempt cars en masse anyway. Some of these pre 60 vehicles are going to be worth a few bob and, without an MOT as some sort of back up, how will an Insurer risk insuring something that may look asthetically pleasing but is actually bodged together with chicken wire and newspaper only for it to get "stolen" and have them weigh out the owner with way, way more than the car was actually worth? Are insurance companies THAT stupid? Never mind, it will all come out in the wash, eh!
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