benjo
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Nov 13, 2006 17:15:32 GMT
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Hey all, back again  Just thinking about a car again. I was set on a Golf MK1... but i'm starting to like the MK2 with a few mods to it, seen one driving around. I'm toying with the idea of getting a MK2, but to be honest they just don't look as nice  I was just wondering what the main differences were between the Mk1 + Mk2, am i right in thinking you get more for your money with the Mk2? Thoughts and opinions please Cheers |
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bstardchild
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Golf Questionbstardchild
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Nov 13, 2006 17:22:28 GMT
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Hey all, back again Just thinking about a car again. I was set on a Golf MK1... but i'm starting to like the MK2 with a few mods to it, seen one driving around. I'm toying with the idea of getting a MK2, but to be honest they just don't look as nice I was just wondering what the main differences were between the Mk1 + Mk2, am I right in thinking you get more for your money with the Mk2? Thoughts and opinions please Cheers MKI = Price plus £1000 scene tax (seems to be on the ones I've seen advertised anyway) MKII = cheap and well speced and no scene tax - YET Me I'd go for a MKII and mod it with the price difference |
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Odin
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Nov 13, 2006 17:40:20 GMT
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The 'scene tax' thing bothers me. I sold my Mk1 with a new ticket a couple of months ago for £340. It was good and solid, too. Seemed a fair 'non-scene tax' price to me. Unfortunately I've scene the dreaded tax creeping in on Mk2 prices, but it seems to be mostly on the better spec ones at the mo. Povo ones can still be picked up for a couple of hundred with a ticket though. I reckon for budget Golf thrills you could get a lot worse than a 1.3 Mk2. The HK code engine is a corker. |
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Nov 13, 2006 17:43:50 GMT
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The 'scene tax' thing bothers me. I sold my Mk1 with a new ticket a couple of months ago for £340. It was good and solid, too. Seemed a fair 'non-scene tax' price to me. Unfortunately I've scene the dreaded tax creeping in on Mk2 prices, but it seems to be mostly on the better spec ones at the mo. Povo ones can still be picked up for a couple of hundred with a ticket though. I reckon for budget Golf thrills you could get a lot worse than a 1.3 Mk2. The HK code engine is a corker. I've got an HK engine in my mk1 .....and it honks along quite nicely. |
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Nov 13, 2006 17:44:28 GMT
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don't disregard the mk2 over a mk1 ,mk2 are good cars to drive and arent as tinny as a mk1.i've had 3 mk2s all gti and given half a chance i would have another one.mechanically 1s and 2s are very similar but all the body is different as is the interior.on mk2 look out for water leaks into the cabin,they can be cheap to fix but are a real pain in the  to find the source.engines provided they are well looked after are reasonably bulllet proof as are the gearboxes,but try and get a 5speeder especially if you use it for m-ways etc.other than that its all the usual stuff bushes ,bearings,smoke etc.iirc mr hairnet had a mk1 for a while ,he will be able to tell you more. |
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Nov 13, 2006 17:51:14 GMT
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ive got a j plate mk2 1.3 ryder for sale if anyones interested, ticket till next june and tax till the end of this month. 295 ono. pm if interested
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"quote hairnet"
I'm not paying nine pound for a pi$$!
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Odin
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Nov 13, 2006 18:03:13 GMT
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A few tidbits of Mk1 knowledge as I remember them......rust in the usual places, but specialities include the fuel filler neck and in the spare wheel well. As said, the engines are generally great. If it's still got the Pierburg carb on it though, check for good cold starting. The autochoke is notoriously curse word. Weber replacements are a good idea.
Parts generally are cheap for both Mk1s and Mk2s. They share engines, boxes, and other bits and bobs. Suspension and possibly brakes are different. Repair panels are mostly available. Some Mk1 bits can be tricky to get, though. I spent a while looking for a windscreen and then gave up. Upgrades to Mk3 Polo stuff (GT/G40 lump, 5 speed boxes etc) pretty easy and widespread.
The brakes take a bit of getting used to if you're coming from something more modern - they get slated quite a lot, but they're not that bad really. Oh - and check where the clutch cable comes through the bulkhead. They tend to break out of the grommet and make a bit of a mess.
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Nov 13, 2006 18:10:46 GMT
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filmidget
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Nov 13, 2006 18:36:52 GMT
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Thought about a (mk2) Scirocco instead?
Same as Mk1 Golf underneath, but with a pretty body (ahem, well I think so), better chance of being in good condition, and reputedly better handling.
Also stupidly cheap at the moment - less than £200 or even £100 for something requiring a *little* fettling. £3-400 buys a nice one!
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'79 MG Midget 1500 - Still patiently awaiting attention
'02 Vauxhall Astra 1.8 Elegance(!) - Better than you might think
'03 Mazda MX5 - All new and shiny looking (thanks to Antony at Rust Republic)
'09 Renault Clio - Needs to go.
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benjo
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Nov 13, 2006 18:57:26 GMT
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Thought about a (mk2) Scirocco instead? I have actually thought about it, but not really done much research into it. |
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Nov 13, 2006 19:41:24 GMT
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I'm a fan of the mk1 but silly proces have put me off em, my friend has a mk2 flog 1.3 and its great to drive it doesnt feel all that different to his mk5 tbh. not a bad motor at all, bit lacking in the grunt deptartment but a cheeky engine swap can sort that out
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Nov 13, 2006 19:50:00 GMT
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I've always wanted a Mk1 Golf (2 or 4 door, both can look good with a few subtle alterations) but all the examples I have seen have been either ...
1) Tat
2) Overpriced tat
3) Mint, but staggeringly overpriced
Add scene tax into the mix and that all adds up to one thing. Me (most likely) never owning a Mk1 Golf. Mk2 Golfs are now heading the same way, so if you are interested buy one now. Prices for a Mk2 are still relatively sensible for a povo-spec 1.3 but gob smackingly stupid for a later 16v. This is particularly evident if its oak green, which attracts a tax all of its own very similar to 'scene tax' ...
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Nov 13, 2006 21:26:52 GMT
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if u look hard enuf u will find a sweet mk1 for ur money! I've got one, and i love it to bits! Mk2s are cheap too if u don't go the usual ebay/autotrader route!
u going for a gti?
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 My old MK1, TSR 1900 8v motor, head, cam supersprint stainless 4 branch, magnex system , adjustable koni's and uprated brakes. £12k in receipts Couldn't give it away. Was for sale for 6 months, would've taken £2k. Eventually sold on Ebay to the only person who bothered to look at it. Scene tax my .  |
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Golf QuestionRobinxr4i
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Nov 14, 2006 12:47:24 GMT
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I agree in some part with the scene tax thing, some idiots charge silly money for average mk1 golf but it no worse than over inflated prices of mk1 and 2 escort! Odviously there are people who are willing to pay the wonga other wise prices would drop. IMO for what its worth! Buy a Scirocco they are cheaper and rarer than the golf, Plus i have always had a soft spot for them ;D My old MK1, TSR 1900 8v motor, head, cam supersprint stainless 4 branch, magnex system , adjustable koni's and uprated brakes. £12k in receipts Couldn't give it away. Was for sale for 6 months, would've taken £2k. Eventually sold on Ebay to the only person who bothered to look at it. Scene tax my  . £2000 seems like a bargain for such a well speced car (providing it was solid) I would have bloody had it for that money  |
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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filmidget
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Nov 14, 2006 13:11:46 GMT
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Go on you know you want her:  Rot/grot free, complete with 125bhp of Weber fed and cam'ed up loveliness (6 months T&T too). She's pretty, eager, and comes with some hard rubber extras... Find a similar condition/spec'd Mk1 (or even Mk2?) Golf for £650... |
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'79 MG Midget 1500 - Still patiently awaiting attention
'02 Vauxhall Astra 1.8 Elegance(!) - Better than you might think
'03 Mazda MX5 - All new and shiny looking (thanks to Antony at Rust Republic)
'09 Renault Clio - Needs to go.
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Nov 14, 2006 13:17:40 GMT
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id go for a rocco if i had to choose between a mk1/mk2 golf or a rocco, i just like how thye resemble a delorean IMO.
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Nov 14, 2006 13:29:35 GMT
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I IMO for what its worth! Buy a Scirocco they are cheaper and rarer than the golf, Plus I have always had a soft spot for them ;D My old MK1, TSR 1900 8v motor, head, cam supersprint stainless 4 branch, magnex system , adjustable koni's and uprated brakes. £12k in receipts Couldn't give it away. Was for sale for 6 months, would've taken £2k. Eventually sold on Ebay to the only person who bothered to look at it. Scene tax my . £2000 seems like a bargain for such a well speced car (providing it was solid) I would have bloody had it for that money It had one small patch on the end of the O/S sill and there was a blemish in the paint on the drivers door. No interest.  Sciroccos? been there, done that!  |
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Last Edit: Nov 14, 2006 13:34:29 GMT by Jack
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Muppet
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Nov 15, 2006 12:44:29 GMT
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what the fibre glass replica of a rocco? ;D oh look you can see my oakie in the background ! . what a nail (but i loved it  ) best bit of advise don't buy one which has been monkey fied , try and find a tidy unthrashed example which unfortunatly counts out most mk1 mk2 mk3 gti's , i've owned 3 16v mk2 a mk3 gti and my mk1 , the best way to break them down is mk1 , thrashy little motors so they're good for sprinting , good handling cars , but tinny with very little soundproofing , some bits are now VERY difficult to get hold of mk2, 16v's are very good but require constant thrashing to get anywhere fast , your biggest problem is finding a good one mk3 m'way cruiser , comfy oh mk1,mk2,mk3 rod boxes are almost identical except the drive flanges are different and most are liable to throw the diff pin or distroy 2nd syncro, early mk1's and mk3's are most likely to if you want a good one go for a driver 1.8 |
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) best bit of advise don't buy one which has been monkey fied , try and find a tidy unthrashed example which unfortunatly counts out most mk1 mk2 mk3 gti's , i've owned 3 16v mk2 a mk3 gti and my mk1 , the best way to break them down is