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was talking to a friend the other day about the first hot hatch. and originally we said mini cooper s. But they were technically a saloon. So what would it be. The vauxhall sportshatch maybe? dunno.
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'72 Opel kadett coupe
'77 Opel kadett city sr
'92 Peugeot 309 Gti Goodwood
'93 Peugeot 205 GL auto
'88 Citroen BX 16v(Breaking)
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Alfa sud perhaps the earliest one i can think of
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marksparks999
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was it not the Lotus (Talbot) Sunbeam, followed closed by Vauxhall Shov-it with the big engine?
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Retroless at the moment... but on the hunt for something old!
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I always thought it was the GTi MKI Golf.
Paul h
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10mpg
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1st Hothatch?10mpg
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Depends on your definition of hot hatch , technically it has to be the Lotus Sunbeam, 'but' if you follow the modern interpretation of fwd transverse engine 3 door hatch, which is a hopped up version of the typical familly hatch by the same manufacturer then it has to be the mk1 Golf..
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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Brian Damaged
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1st Hothatch?Brian Damaged
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Depends on your definition of hot hatch , technically it has to be the Lotus Sunbeam, 'but' if you follow the modern interpretation of fwd transverse engine 3 door hatch, which is a hopped up version of the typical familly hatch by the same manufacturer then it has to be the mk1 Golf.. Golf Gti was launched in June 1976 (closely followed by the Alfasud Sprint a couple of months later), Lotus Sunbeam came much later, a year after the 1600Ti, in April '79. Golf GTi by a whisker. ;D
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dugong
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Simca 1302 Rallye. Pre dates the Golf and was a front wheel drive 'hot' hatch with a pair of Solex carbs.
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barrett
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Plastic cars with metal doors BEST
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Golf GTi by a whisker. ;D O RLY?
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Somebody find me a Watling. £££ waiting! (Seriously, I want a Watling. Help me plzzzzz)
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Am sure at no point was it declared that a hot hatch needs to be FWD as even in modern motoring the BMW 1 series is RWD and it says about it being a hot hatch. Plus I dislike the fact Golf tries to take the thunder for being the first hot hatch when it wasn't
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Some days you just need to take a grinder to an inanimate object, just to make your day a tiny bit better!!
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chaseracer
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From www.allpar.com... "The 1100TI was introduced in late 1973 as a 1974 model year car. It came with an 82bhp 1294cc engine derived from the 84bhp Matra-Simca Bagheera unit. It had two Weber carburettors. Performance was seriously quick; maximum speed was 105 mph and the 0-60 dash could be despatched in under 12 seconds. Five inch alloy wheels were standard.
Compared to the Special, the clutch was reinforced, firmer shock absorbers were standard and bigger diameter disc brakes from the 1000 Rallye 2 were fitted. The TI had six lights up front – as well as the two headlamps there were two fog lamps mounted below the front bumper, and two driving lamps set into the matt black grille. A high output alternator, not surprisingly, was fitted as standard!
Available in three or five door versions, the Ti came with front and rear spoilers. The dashboard had six circular dials – speedometer, rev counter, fuel, temperature and oil pressure gauges and an ammeter. A leather covered metal spoked steering wheel completed the sporty interior.
As this was considered to be very much part of the range, it could be argued that by producing this model, it was Simca that introduced the concept of the "hot hatchback" in Europe.
Bear in mind, that the 1100TI was launched in 1974 as opposed to 1976 for the Volkswagen Golf GTi, and one can see this accolade really belongs to the French rather than the Germans. Sadly, the TI was another Simca 1100 that did not officially cross the Channel..."
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v8ian
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austin Maxi 1750s
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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No Ian, you misread the title!
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v8ian
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Surprisingly nippy for their time,!!
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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Austin Maxi 1750HL, 1973.
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doobie
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Yep Austin Maxi HL 1972
1972: Introduction of the Maxi 1750 HL, with twin SU HS6 carburettor version of the 1748 cc engine, which gave a higher output of 91 bhp (68 kW) at 5250 rpm. Other additional features for the HL were 165 x 13 radial ply tyres, black grille with chrome upper and lower strips, with red "HL" motif fitted, red chequered front badge, front bumper under-riders, chrome exhaust trim, black rimmed hub caps, body coloured mouldings along the sides and rear, electric windscreen washers, 3 spoke-alloy steering wheel with leather-bound rim etc
How is this not a hothatch? Alloy 3 spoke leather steering wheel ffs
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Yep Austin Maxi HL 1972 1972: Introduction of the Maxi 1750 HL, with twin SU HS6 carburettor version of the 1748 cc engine, which gave a higher output of 91 bhp (68 kW) at 5250 rpm. Other additional features for the HL were 165 x 13 radial ply tyres, black grille with chrome upper and lower strips, with red "HL" motif fitted, red chequered front badge, front bumper under-riders, chrome exhaust trim, black rimmed hub caps, body coloured mouldings along the sides and rear, electric windscreen washers, 3 spoke-alloy steering wheel with leather-bound rim etc How is this not a hothatch? Alloy 3 spoke leather steering wheel ffs Unless anyone can beat 1972, this has made my day week month year!
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What about the E -Type of 1961 - hot and had a hatch :-)
paul H
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Autobianchi A112 Abarth, Sept 71.
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sumpcracker
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stilleto imp?
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Sorry but Stilleto has fixed rear window so not a hatch. Imp sport might qualify though. paul h
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