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Hi all,
I've got a pair of lowering blocks for the back of my Marina- now I've fitted them, the U bolts I'd got hold of are waaaaay too long and I've had to fit spacers to get the nuts on the thread, which I'm not wholly happy with.
I've got the uber manky old ones off and could do with sending them to someone and saying "make me four of those but 2" longer please"- anyone know where? The Marina ones are a slightly odd diameter so off the shelf Escort etc bits don't fit.
Cheers!
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Is it daft to suggest just trimming them down?
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Seth
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PHUQ
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Cheers Seth- from memory they are different to moggy minor ones, but I can't remember in which way- I'll look into it.
Unfortunately the thread doesn't go up far enough Ben- and 'cos of the way they are made you can't just cut the thread up further.
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Try engineering pipework suppliers for U bolts. You might be pleasantly surprised at what's available and price compared to automotive sources.
Hovever in this case why not simply cut further thread on the plain part of the shank ? If you haven't the correct die I'm sure someone might be able to help or any engineering firm will be able to do the job for a couple of quid.
paul h
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Seth
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Try engineering pipework suppliers for U bolts. You might be pleasantly surprised at what's available and price compared to automotive sources. You might be less pleasantly suprised if you bought some bolts designed to hold static pipework to walls because they were cheap and then they broke when you hit a bump while doing 70 on the motorway because they weren't made from high tensile steel and designed to survive continually changing fatigue loads. phuq, I know that Minor ones fitted my Oxford so would be surprised if they didn't go on a Marina but I guess there could be differences.
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Try engineering pipework suppliers for U bolts. You might be pleasantly surprised at what's available and price compared to automotive sources. You might be less pleasantly suprised if you bought some bolts designed to hold static pipework to walls because they were cheap and then they broke when you hit a bump while doing 70 on the motorway because they weren't made from high tensile steel and designed to survive continually changing fatigue loads. phuq, I know that Minor ones fitted my Oxford so would be surprised if they didn't go on a Marina but I guess there could be differences. Accepted. Forget my previous comments I think moral of story is only buy something "fit for the purpose" ie high tenstile automotive U bolts from a specialist supplier such as those that sell to race / rally / hot rod/ trailer maker fraternity Paul H
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Try marine suppliers. They use them on masts for yachts. Should be strong enough too.
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Try engineering pipework suppliers for U bolts. You might be pleasantly surprised at what's available and price compared to automotive sources. You might be less pleasantly suprised if you bought some bolts designed to hold static pipework to walls because they were cheap and then they broke when you hit a bump while doing 70 on the motorway because they weren't made from high tensile steel and designed to survive continually changing fatigue loads. phuq, I know that Minor ones fitted my Oxford so would be surprised if they didn't go on a Marina but I guess there could be differences. have you warned the telecom companies on the dangers of using cheap galvanised non high tensile u bolts, not capable of surviving on a car going over a bump at 70, they seem happy to hang large satelight links in the breeze of a couple of them?
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Seth
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have you warned the telecom companies on the dangers of using cheap galvanised non high tensile u bolts, not capable of surviving on a car going over a bump at 70, they seem happy to hang large satelight links in the breeze of a couple of them? Would you use a bag of unmarked M10 bolts from B&Q to hold the big end caps on when building an engine?
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You seem to be giving the U bolts holding 40 year old cars together a lot of credit... Do you *know* they are anything other than mild steel? If so - how do you know? I'd bet the U bolts you buy from *anywhere* will be unbranded, unmarked and nothing special with no special treatments. Even if they claim different - how will you ever know?
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Seth
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You know what. I don't know. Obviously. I would hope that if I was buying U bolts from an automotive supplier that they would have been made appropriately with their task considered, rather than out of licorice steel that might hold together. Or might not.
You know what. There's always a right way of doing things when messing about with old cars. Of course other ways might work but personally I don't want to take those risks and would rather advise others not to either than suggest they bolt their cars together in a potentially dangerous manner.
Phuq, appologies that my well intentioned suggestions have derailed the thread a bit.
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I bow down to your better knowledge, clearly I have learned nothing in my 30 years in industry, I never knew that the stresses inside the engine were the same as what are on U bolts holding the leaf springs to an axle, nor did I know that they have recently downgraded british standards to allow U bolts made of cheese to be used to fix telecom brackets to be clamped to walls, nor did I know that if you hit a bump at 70, your suspension will transfer all the energy into the u bolt, with none taken by the spring or damper, clearly I have bluffed my way through life
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Last Edit: May 7, 2012 9:11:04 GMT by ianboyd
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Try marine suppliers. They use them on masts for yachts. Should be strong enough too. They will probably be stainless, for obvious reasons!
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I used an Escort kit on my Marina pickup truck many many years ago, just had to grind the locating nipple off the blocks as there wasn't a socket for it on the Marina
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Seth
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I don't care what telecoms people use to hold their masts up. My reference to engine internals was to demonstrate that it is ridiculous to quote one completely different application to suggest that it is OK on another. This PDF, clearly mentions that this firm makes their automotive U bolts from Grade 5 or Grade 8 material, grade 8 being the safer choice if the oriignal spec is not known. (I am aware that this grading system is a US spec but that British specs would be along similar lines) www.fallsautospring.com/ubolttorqspecs.pdfHere's a handy spec sheet showing the strengths of the various grades of bolt. www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Materials-and-Grades/Bolt-Grade-Chart.aspxNow if someone wants to bolt their car together using Grade 2 low tensile fixings then perhaps they might think otherwise when they see that these could be half as strong as the bolts that were originally doing the job.
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PHUQ
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Cheers folks.
Call me naieve, but I'd rather use something designed for the job, I'm not a materials expert or a telecoms engineer so I'll use something sold as being for a car and if it breaks then at least I've got some comeback!
I'm actually going to order one of those MM kits you linked to Seth, hopefully I can use the blocks as well, the ones I have (for a kitcar using a Marina axle) don't offer any positive location to the axle, just the spring which is something else I'm not 100% happy about.
Marina commercials use a different axle to cars IIRC. I know Escort U bolts are a bigger diameter than Marina car ones, meaning you have to drill the spring plate etc. It's another option, but again I'd rather use something that's "right".
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Aah, didn't know the axles were different sizes.
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PHUQ
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^ Don't quote me on that- it might just be the springs are different and have bigger holes in the spring plates. I've ordered the set of Moggy lowering blocks from Seth's first link, so we'll see if that does the trick- cheers folks
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