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Apr 11, 2012 21:03:14 GMT
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Hello RR, I'm a long time lurker of the forum, so I thought I'd join - just never posted, as I've had no real reason to post (no car of my own ). I was shocked the other day when I found out I could insure a Rover 114 for just shy of £1500, I was even more shocked when I found out I can insure a Metro 1.4 for £900. Happy days I wanted a 1.4, as I heard the 1.1's can be a little slow off the line, and at this price I'd be stupid to turn it down! I've had a hard time finding a 114 or a 1.4 metro near me for a decent price, then this sprung up! www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/rover-metro-14-si/98736310In the description it states that it's had a new head and such, new cam belt, water pump and fluids. The tell-tale signs that it suffered from overheating and a blown head. Nevertheless, I still want to go see it. On the basis that the car has been through this I'd definitely like SOME discount. Cheap car, cheap quote for it too. All I want is a years motoring, (depending on how it treats me) if it's fun I might keep it for another year. My dad won't stop giving me s**t about wanting to buy this car (he even told me he got a quote on it earlier of £9000, I had to re-quote it just to prove him wrong). He wants me to get a newer panda, which is not only gonna cost me the earth to buy, but I'll have to insure it aswell - I'm not to fond of paying over double for a car which I'll frankly find boring. We're planning on seeing this car soon, any advice? I don't want to spend over double my money on a Panda. >.<
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RobinJI
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Apr 11, 2012 23:06:58 GMT
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It's not necessarily a bad thing that it's had a new head-gasket. As you're probably aware, these use the rover k-series engine, which are prone to head gasket failure from the factory, however once replaced properly they aren't prone to it going again unless they run low on coolant. The main thing will be to check that the people who replaced the gasket knew what they were doing. I'm no k-series expert, so you'll be better off finding a proper guide to replacing the gasket else ware (www.aronline.co.uk and the Metro Power forum could be a good place to start.) Then you'll want to ask the buyer a few questions to get an idea of whether they actually knew what they were doing replacing the gasket. Things like 'what dowels is it fitted with' (metal or plastic), what sort of protrusion did the cylinder liners have? and importantly, 'does it have the MLS gasket fitted now?' A couple of k-series based links: general in depth info, k-series FAQAs for the rest of the car, check well for rust. Even late metro's and R100's love to rust, to an extraordinary extent sometimes! Rear arches, front jacking points, front seat mounts and front inner wings tent to be hot spots for it, but check everywhere you can! PS, Welcome to the forum.
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Last Edit: Apr 11, 2012 23:09:18 GMT by RobinJI
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ChasR
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As Mr. JI said. The K Series can blow it's HG in months if done by a botch monkey (or forever if you believe the pub talk) yet I have seen a couple of examples go on for years with the HG done correctly (but correctly can also mean £££ which is one reason for why shortcuts are taken almost all of the time). If it were me I would look out for rust and suspension issues (sitting low on one corner/side). As an example. my dad had an MG Metro Turbo years ago. Amazingly the sills were in good condition but the car had already seen one wing before he bought it (rot) and although the sills were solid the B post was rotting at the base of the rear quarterlight! They do seem to rust in usual places(wheelarches, filler cap, and sills) in addition to odd places (everywhere then I guess?) The guy in your link seems to be a dealer in Metros so I would hope he would be clued up on them .
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Apr 12, 2012 10:40:51 GMT
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Cheers guys! Thanks for the welcome too! Just had a quick read through those links and I understand the problems more now, and the precautions to take and the questions to ask about them. In the even that I do look at the car I'll give it a good look round and check for fluid around the suspension (is that a good way to check?) and if not they could be just low on fluid (I've heard they can get them pumped up again for around £30, not too fussed about paying that). Another question, due to the problems it's had, or could of had, how much should I offer etc?
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RobinJI
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Apr 12, 2012 11:45:10 GMT
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It does look like a reasonably buy. I'm not sure you can haggle down on the fact it's had a new HG, as said, it's often seen as an upgrade/future proofing if it's been done right. However it does seem like fairly strong money for a 5 door k-series 'tro, so there may be some room to get the price down.
Suspension wise, check the lines for corrosion, and like you say, check for leaks. It does look a little on the low side, but it's quite normal for a bit of a drop to have happened over the years. As long as there's proper damping and it's not leaking there's not a huge amount more to check. Give all the arms a good look over and check for play in the usual way.
As I've said, I'm no expert, (I've just got friends into their metros), so I've probably missed things, and it wouldn't hurt to find a proper buyers guide before heading over for a look.
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Apr 12, 2012 12:18:27 GMT
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Important bits to look at on a Rover Metro:
1: The 1.4 8v engine is actually quite robust, but cooling, cooling, cooling is what it's all about. So even if the car's been given a new headgasket, check everything. The thermostat is in an awkward place, the thermostatic switch for the radiator fan is prone to giving up (hence many blown gaskets) and they need to be bled properly and given regular coolant changes. Get the car warm, fan should cut in before the needle hits 3/4 mark. If it doesn't and you're still thinking about it, disconnect the fan switch (OS radiator half-way down) and short the wires with a loop of wire/paperclip/whatever - if the fan's working then the little sensor is cheap.
Filling the cooling system has two bleed points. Quick check, look on the nearside-end of the engine (gearbox side) at the metal pipe running backwards. Does it look like the bolt on it has ever been disturbed, particularly if the HGF was repaired recently? If not, it's probably not been correctly bled and will have airlocks. The other bleed point is more obvious, on the heater matrix pipes.
2: Suspension.
Height is variable with temperature - so they're expecting the factory height at 17° C. In cold weather it can sit much lower, quite distinctly so. If it's not on the bump stops and the pipes are good, don't worry about it, pump-ups are £20. Personally I like the ride height to be correct and hate the practice of lowering them by letting fluid out; the car will handle brilliantly. If you want the best handling, front dampers get rid of some of the bounce, but need brackets adding on non-sporting variants not fitted with them from stock (can't remember right now which have them, I think GTas do).
Of much more importance are the four grease nipples. Two easily accessed on the rear radius arms, clearly visible through rear arches. Neglected, you will need new arm bearings - not expensive, but a lot of effort to replace involving disturbing suspension components. If the car's got negative camber at the back, it's not "stanced", it's broken. It might squeak on bumps, too.
Front suspension has grease nipples as well - these are less obvious and damn fiddly to get to.
If you want to lower it, replacement suspension knuckles do it properly and keep the damping/movement.
Bodywork - all covered really. It doesn't hide much, but inner wings can go and are well hidden.
Wiring - key fobs cannot be user programmed. Central locking motors are repairable and have a common failure issue.
Gearbox - 5 speeders should be lovely. Clutch cable can detach easily (more a "OMG what happened to my car!" possible breakdown thing, than a buying point).
Many, many parts are still available from Rimmer Bros - and they're a fantastic little car.
And in my opinion, the A-series Metros are fun but very much of their era - crude, crashy, noisy and a bit cramped. The changes made to the R6 Metro/100 transform it - it's a really comfortable, pleasant car to drive. A-series are nice fun second cars, a 100 can be driven every day without much hardship when compared to a modern car.
This is probably all doubled in those links of course, but I figured I'd pop it here.
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Apr 12, 2012 13:08:25 GMT
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As has been said the Metro Power forum is quite good, albeit a few 'wannabes' there too so treat any advice with a note of caution.
I haven't looked at the Gumtree advert, but 1.4 came in a variety of powers from the 8v SPi with 55bhp (iirc) up to the full fat 16v MPi with 103bhp in the GTi - they have a quite tasty turn of speed!
Wheels are 13" oem, with 14", 15 and even 16" being fitted depending on how much work you want to do to the wings.
Watch out for gheto lowering where they have just bleed fluid out the hydro cans, that can create problems. The "proper" way is to cut the "knucle shaft' but that means depressuring the suspension system. If you are going to play it is worth getting your own pump, mine is a modified grease gun.
Cheap upgrades are vented discs (from MGF) but these need 7 spoke GTi alloys or 5mm wheel spacers. MGF suspension cans. 8v -> 16v engine (EASY swap), SPi -> MPi (needs changes to the loom), and for max fun a VVC engine (loom, ECU and gearbox changes - don't believe anyone that says it is a drop in swap!!).
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Apr 12, 2012 13:44:37 GMT
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MGF cans are an upgrade, but given how rare they're getting...
100s have pre-rolled rear arches, too!
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Apr 12, 2012 15:37:01 GMT
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Don't become a thief,The government don't like competition.
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Apr 12, 2012 16:05:19 GMT
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they do a head saver kit for the k series , far better than standard head gaskets ,.
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Apr 12, 2012 16:08:10 GMT
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just looked at the link for the 5 door , its worth £500 quid all day long,.
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Apr 12, 2012 19:43:18 GMT
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Don't become a thief,The government don't like competition.
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