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gasless wire vs gas jawathemutt
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Mar 18, 2012 13:41:24 GMT
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so my bottle is empty  (half way through a job) and I'm thinking abou tgasless wire ???most reviews seem to say don't bother its curse word with a small machine but my welder is a big one loads of amps never had it over setting 3 and it goes up to 11....sorry 10 ,has anybody got any views before i spend 50 quid on a roll of wire and give it a go? |
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Mar 18, 2012 14:01:19 GMT
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so my bottle is empty (half way through a job) and I'm thinking abou tgasless wire ???most reviews seem to say don't bother its curse word with a small machine but my welder is a big one loads of amps never had it over setting 3 and it goes up to 11....sorry 10 ,has anybody got any views before I spend 50 quid on a roll of wire and give it a go? I can't get away with it, it's difficult to see what your welding and the welds look a lot worse than with gas, but I do know others that manage it ok, so only you can say whether it works ok |
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Mar 18, 2012 14:36:02 GMT
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Have you been over to the mig welding forum? It has been covered many times as you might expect. The general gist I got was that it can work ok, but it's more difficult to do a good and tidy job. Generally speaking folks much prefer using gas.
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Mar 18, 2012 14:53:48 GMT
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I've got alright results from it (IMO), I'll post a picture when Photobucket has finished importing them all later (then promptly hide from the inevitable criticism). But the only reason I use it is because I have to weld outside, where there's very little shelter from the wind.
Oh, and the machine was dirt cheap.
If you've got a proper setup, I wouldn't bother. Try and get a decent sized bottle of gas instead. Stick with what you know etc. My gasless setup completely foxed my uncle and cousin when they first used it, both been fabricating since before I was born.
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Mar 18, 2012 15:51:32 GMT
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gasless wire vs gas jawathemutt
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Mar 18, 2012 16:11:45 GMT
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go and do a search for flux cored gasless wire(the thread is about that  ) my bottle was brought from a bankrupt firm about 6/7 years ago so is a little out of test so finding a company that will swap it is a little problematic hence the thread question ,thanks for the help though |
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Mar 18, 2012 17:05:24 GMT
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It's messy, harder to use and almost impossible to see what's going on.
Having said that I've used it in a budget Kennedy welder for about 5 years. I tend to find the best technique is rapidly switching between welding and looking, but not looking long enough to let the work area cool past glowing red, I find it easier to re-start the weld that way.
Afterwards there's residue powder and splatter everywhere to clear up as well.
After 5 years I think the oily protective coating on the wire has gummed up the inside of the welder pretty well and it's for this reason I have bought a better welder which I will only use with gas and normal wire.
Although, when I used it to fix the chassis of my truck (3mm) it was in it's element and a lot easier, which made sense in my head because it's like kinda like arc welding.
BTW I don't have a background in welding at all, I can weld fairly neatly, but slowly. I basically learned to weld using gasless wire on my old Micra.
Hope that helps.
Rob
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gasless wire vs gas jawathemutt
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Mar 18, 2012 17:26:49 GMT
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helps a lot thanks .......ill start a thread when i get a bit done
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k18nob
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Mar 18, 2012 19:28:43 GMT
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I got on fine with it, Ive only had to weld some frames into my car to mount the bucket seats but i found it gave a really good weld! It is a bit harder but after a few practice goes I got on a lot better than i thought i would with it and was very pleased with the results.
Ive heard a lot more people getting good results with gassless but its not for everyone and given the choice id go for gas
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Mar 18, 2012 19:33:38 GMT
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go and do a search for flux cored gasless wire(the thread is about that ) my bottle was brought from a bankrupt firm about 6/7 years ago so is a little out of test so finding a company that will swap it is a little problematic hence the thread question ,thanks for the help though Sorry, misread - thought you were paying that for non fluxed wire. As for the bottle, go to a scrapyard or even have a tour round some old factory premises - you can pick them up for either nothing or a fiver from the scrapyard. You occasionally get them for sale at newark autojumble. Or, you may get lucky and find someone who will just do you one without account, thats how i got mine and he charges me £20 for a full sized mig mix exchanged. |
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mirafioriman
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Mar 18, 2012 21:38:37 GMT
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I use gas but a friend has a gasless set up. It's ok welding gassless but really I don't see the point. The expense of the wire negates the savings you make from the gas. I looked at all the options for gas last summer and ended up with an account with BOC. Reasonable on price and a lot less hassle than ordering gas by post etc.
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Mar 18, 2012 23:23:09 GMT
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How much is a BOC account??
I'm using pub gas at the mo but I'm nearly out.
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MrSpeedy
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Mar 18, 2012 23:43:40 GMT
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How much is a BOC account?? I'm using pub gas at the mo but I'm nearly out. Frightening!! |
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mirafioriman
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Mar 18, 2012 23:58:44 GMT
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£8 a month rental, doesn't frighten me |
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Well, for those of you in sheffield/surrounding areas, J&R will do you a bottle for £50 rental for 5 years + £25 for the gas.
Cheaper than getting gasless wire!
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You can still get the volkszone offer from boc. Y size argoshield for £69 and £40 ish a fill iirc. I got sent an email with the forms in PDF and instructions on how to do it if anyone wants it PM me an email address.
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Mar 19, 2012 12:50:25 GMT
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i use a gasless one but only coz i do all my work outside as i don't have a garage and find the gasless one better for welding outside especially in the wind lol, the gasless welders are a bit cheaper too. I think your much better off with a gas one though as everyone here is saying
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(half way through a job) and I'm thinking abou tgasless wire ???most reviews seem to say don't bother its curse word with a small machine but my welder is a big one loads of amps never had it over setting 3 and it goes up to 11....sorry 10 ,has anybody got any views before i spend 50 quid on a roll of wire and give it a go?
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