BOILING BLOOD!

Its like Pog says- The trouble with the motoring public is we never do anything about it apart from getting angry and then probably toddle off for some 'shopping therepy' to forget all about it.
If enough people protested about these issues by boycotting the payments it simply wouldn't and couldn't go ahead. End of!
Does anyone know of a definitive 'active' group who think along these lines too? I'd happily join.

just don't pay it and stand up in court and say send me to jail then ! they are full at mo due to yet another of labour's royal screw ups so you'll probably get off anyway ;D .

anyway the people in this county get all they ask for i said don't vote for em but did anyone listen i'll just be glad when i'm outta here

But that's just my point Vic. If everyone, and I mean everyone said 'Stuff you, I'm not paying 4 times over in tax to drive somewhere', then they couldn't possibly chase everyone, and might quickly realise that the long suffering motorist had finally been pushed too far.

It's like with those old biddies they send to jail for not paying inflation-busting council tax rises. If everyone said screw you, then they can't put anyone in jail.

We're told to behave ourselves, and if we don't we get a nasty letter and a CCJ and a visit from the baliffs. All this means is we can't get yet another credit card or 52-plate astra on tick..... is that so important? (admittedly it screws you for mortgages, but lets not dwell on that now).....

There needs to be a stand. It cannot go on forever - you can't have toll charging AND 85% fuel duty AND road fund licence AND a terrible public transport infrastructure.
You gotta raise revenue, sure, but not by such ridiculous means.

Youre absolutely right, I try and play the system everytime someone tries to get money off me they don't deserve, but I feel unsupported. Last time I tried to get off with a speeding fine (62 in a 50 that had been NSL 3 weeks before, totally unpopulated area with no pavements) I was doing really well, I strung it out for ages playing letter tennis but in the end they pursued it relentlessly and were going to suspend my driving licence, I like driving for one thing and I`m a motor trader, they had me by the nads. I just thought at the time that if everyone else wasnt so obedient and handed in their money straight away, but instead messed them about like I did, they probably wouldnt have the resources to get to everybody and I would have had a chance - safety in numbers and that. So yeah, people need to stick together on these things but unfortunately most people don't, they just lose their nerve too early and take a shafting. As for letters about debts - much easier! And it doesnt screw you for mortgages forever, you`ve just got to sweat it out for 6 years, and by the time 7 years have passed you should be able to get a mortgage.

Motorists should rise up and revolt against this shister government!

thats the problem Mr P,it won't .we will all end up paying more,much more.in my little illustration i worked out to to go work and back would cost me £180 black box road tax,on top of fuel,insurance and wear and tear.then on top of that my own mileage.fr'instance if i go and see my mum and dad in london,largley m'ways all the way, ,a 500 mile round trip could cost me best part of £500! coachs are cramped (i'm 6'1) and infrequent ,don't go anywhere near my parents house,trains stink and are pricey,and don't go anywhere near their house.i wouldn't consider myself a high mileage user,in fact i'm walking to work now (changed jobs ) but if i had stayed put i would have had to change jobs anyway.

>:(well i just got back from the ace and can safely say that unless they move the ace cafe outta london then i will not be going there again i have been there about 4 times and every time we go we tangled up in some sort mess on the roads and every time its just a worse place to be sorry i don't care what anyone says london has no improvments going on what so ever . the evidence:
1: the roads in london are a total joke 3 lanes down to on lane back up to 2 lanes ect,, all for reason whatso ever eccept to cause traffic jams
2: pot holes in the roads due to badly made and maintained roads road fund lisence my what bloody roads are they funding blairs drive way?
3:road signs that don't give correct information due to badly run road systems due to that twatt livingstone
4:traffic lights every 200ft that let out 3 cars at a time and are all timed so if you get through one set of lights you will have to stop at the next thus making traffic so you car ends up using more fuel . my car does around 25mpg iflled it with fuel before i left up till we had hit the dump(formaly known as london) the gauge had hardly moved 20 miles and nearly 2 hours i'm down to half a tank smae on the way home so now i'll have to get more fuel to last me the week all due to that twatt livingstone poor(or is it a scam) running of the dump formaly known as london
and 5:london is such a crappy place sorry to any of you living there but it realy is a sh@t hole and i don't ever want to go there again

sorry for the rant there ;D carry on

just joined the ABD. figured it was better than just whinging about it. anyone else with me?

edit: www.abd.org.uk

Yeah this pisses me off too, so either don't vote the government in or go and vote in the first place as opposed to having the apathy that we have in this country.

p.s. I am positive there must be legal ways to challenge the majority of these schemes.