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Apr 17, 2012 14:20:53 GMT
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Thats plums , he does something illeagal (even if for only 5 mins) then complains he was caught, that has nothing to do with being unfair and all to do with whinging about being caught ! they should have an off road forcourt simple as that. Don't get me wronge the DVLA are a bunch of muppets 90% of the time but nowdays people see that as an excuse to get out of fine that they simply deserve  His choice to park the car illeagaly his choice to get the builders in and not plan it correctly. I totally agree, the boy in the first case doesn't have a leg to stand on. The second case, the leased land with the bottle banks, is a really sneaky one and I have sympathy for the guy. VEAS appear to have reconsidered on that though and tried to remove the clamps. They'll probably take the poor boy to court to get the clamps back though. Does anyone know Portsmouth well enough to say whether or not these places are close to each other? If they are, someone locally may have complained because they were taking liberties. The only case of DVLA enforcement like this I've heard about near me was in an industrial estate where half a dozen garages were regularly "storing" cars on the road. Other business owners must've complained about the lack of parking in the estate. Having read some of the earlier comments on this thread, they couldn't have been properly registered as being traders' cars though. |
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Thats plums , he does something illeagal (even if for only 5 mins) then complains he was caught, that has nothing to do with being unfair and all to do with whinging about being caught ! they should have an off road forcourt simple as that. Don't get me wronge the DVLA are a bunch of muppets 90% of the time but nowdays people see that as an excuse to get out of fine that they simply deserve His choice to park the car illeagaly his choice to get the builders in and not plan it correctly. I know the garage owner wellbest part of 35 years , loves his retros and often buys and sells them as well. All publicity is good publicity  |
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Thats plums , he does something illeagal (even if for only 5 mins) then complains he was caught, that has nothing to do with being unfair and all to do with whinging about being caught ! they should have an off road forcourt simple as that. Don't get me wronge the DVLA are a bunch of muppets 90% of the time but nowdays people see that as an excuse to get out of fine that they simply deserve His choice to park the car illeagaly his choice to get the builders in and not plan it correctly. I totally agree, the boy in the first case doesn't have a leg to stand on. The second case, the leased land with the bottle banks, is a really sneaky one and I have sympathy for the guy. VEAS appear to have reconsidered on that though and tried to remove the clamps. They'll probably take the poor boy to court to get the clamps back though. Does anyone know Portsmouth well enough to say whether or not these places are close to each other? If they are, someone locally may have complained because they were taking liberties. The only case of DVLA enforcement like this I've heard about near me was in an industrial estate where half a dozen garages were regularly "storing" cars on the road. Other business owners must've complained about the lack of parking in the estate. Having read some of the earlier comments on this thread, they couldn't have been properly registered as being traders' cars though. Virtually across the road from each other . |
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Oct 18, 2013 12:26:30 GMT
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I have just had a nightmare morning with the dvla
I pull a car off my drive onto the road with trade plates attached and park it 10 feet away from the drive to get another car off the drive that's taxed and road legal this is at 7.45am the dvla van pulls up they get out and try to clamp my car with the trade plates on it .. They deny me access to the car and without it going as far as violence they pretty much obstructed me from moving it back on to my drive while the other guy got the clamp on
I explained it was been moved to move another car out they said because it was parked with the trade plates in I was in breach of trade plate laws and could even have my trade plates removed ..
I asked them to reason with me and let me put the cAr back on to the driveway and they refused ..
They then clamped the car and said they had called for a removal truck ( utter lies ) they hadn't called for one
I started to worry a lot as I thought if this car is removed I'm screwed as I don't have any v5 or green slip as it had just been bought in the trade so the time spent waiting for a v5 would sky rocket the compound fees etc making it not viable to collect it
The car now sits outside with a clamp on it no more than 10ft from the drive and me having to pay 260quid to stop it been removed
I appreciate people have jobs to do but this is stupidity ..
They are targeting the small traders trying to get by and make a quid or 2
When they return to remove the clamp I'm going to video them and there comments as regarding the lies and place it on YouTube
The guy even had body armour on ha ha I wonder why ..
All they are doing is exploiting a loop hole to persecute small traders and extract monies rather than been on the council estates targeting the cars these laws were brought in for .. They Darnt hence the body armour and targeting small traders to get there wages in and collect wrongfully enforced fines etc
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Oct 18, 2013 14:02:45 GMT
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Surely a car on the public highway with trade plates on is deemed to be taxed? And therefore can't be clamped? That is the point of trade plates - to allow you to use th car on the road whilst untaxed. Parked on the road for a few minutes is "using" not "parking".
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Oct 18, 2013 14:22:50 GMT
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Play their game. Cut the clamp off and park your car back in the drive. Unless they have photo evidence.
Then use their own clamp on their van when they're parked outside your house.
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Oct 18, 2013 14:44:55 GMT
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Cant you tow the car back on to your drive? Surley they cant remove it then? Sounds to me like a neighbour has reported you, my mates van got clamped & the only way they could have found it was to have been given the address. So when the clamp was taken off we dumped a bare shell mk2 golf where it was just to annoy the neighbour even more. Play their game. Cut the clamp off and park your car back in the drive. Unless they have photo evidence. Then use their own clamp on their van when they're parked outside your house. You can get DVLA clamps off without cutting them lol, they want you to do that so they can hit you with a £1000 fine... |
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Last Edit: Oct 18, 2013 15:20:12 GMT by joem83
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Oct 18, 2013 15:16:57 GMT
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LOL I didnt know, never been clamped.
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2002 Mercedes E320CDI Estate
1998 Mercedes C240 Sport
1995 Mercedes SL500
1993 Mercedes 500 SEL
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1985 Mercedes 500 SEC
1985 Porsche 911 Carrera - Sold March 2022
1983 Porshe 944
1978 BMW 1602
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Oct 18, 2013 15:25:22 GMT
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Cant you tow the car back on to your drive? Surley they cant remove it then? Sounds to me like a neighbour has reported you, my mates van got clamped & the only way they could have found it was to have been given the address. So when the clamp was taken off we dumped a bare shell mk2 golf where it was just to annoy the neighbour even more. Play their game. Cut the clamp off and park your car back in the drive. Unless they have photo evidence. Then use their own clamp on their van when they're parked outside your house. You can get DVLA clamps off without cutting them lol, they want you to do that so they can hit you with a £1000 fine... lol. robbing gits. Id take it off, move the car out of sight and leave the clamp. Then when they come back, tell them some traveller scum pinched it! |
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Oct 18, 2013 15:30:24 GMT
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I would defo declamp it and shift the car.
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Oct 18, 2013 15:50:08 GMT
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I would defo declamp it and shift the car. Agreed, if anyone comes knocking you can then say you assumed it had been taken by the DVLA and you were patiently awaiting their cheery letter that helpfully points you in the direction of your local recovery yard and a breakdown of the refreshingly good value costs that you have irresponsibly brought on yourself. |
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Oct 18, 2013 15:56:55 GMT
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Oct 18, 2013 16:27:51 GMT
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Get it lifted with a hiab or spec and shifted ASAP its in trade so pretty much untraceable anyway, when they return tell them they've fetched it already....
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Oct 18, 2013 17:17:01 GMT
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A car on trade plates cover the car for tax only if the car is in motion .. Which is stupid as at some point it has to be stopped and started so if theis happens to be on a highway it seems they will clamp and fine you now had the engine been running would it have been deemed to be parked or not in which case could they have clamped it .. I sat waiting for them all day to come and remove it as I was going to challenge is some more but alas they must have done it very slyly as I missed them and they obviously wanted no more confrontation
I have 4 cars on the drive all not sorn and all without tax as I'm a registered trader so after our altercation I'm guessing dvla man will be back
If he does thankfully as it's my home we have 3 rotties and the 1st sign of him on my land and the dogs will be " let out by accident "
And will make sure it's some time before I " realise " that they have got out some how ..
I had one car last year that I bought and removed on trade plates that broke down within a mile of purchase
I did as the dvla request and removed the trade plates returned with a trailer to find the car gone .. I live in Leeds the car broke down in Leeds but was in Northampton the following morning ... Total cost to get back 550 pounds ..
Cost of car 500 pounds value maybe 1000 that car was crushed even though I did as I was supposed to ..
I didn't realise until today how previlent this issue is for small traders
They are the criminals not us .. There exploiting a loop hole where the law is not clear and persicuting us for it rather than trawling the council estates etc where they should be
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Oct 18, 2013 17:50:38 GMT
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Surely a car on the public highway with trade plates on is deemed to be taxed? And therefore can't be clamped? That is the point of trade plates - to allow you to use th car on the road whilst untaxed. Parked on the road for a few minutes is "using" not "parking". Alas no a car can be parked with trade plates in I think if the engine had been running I might have had a chance I even had the key for it in my hand and they were having none of it .. So I'm 260 quid down today .. For doing nothing wrong .. A few people told me to bolt crop off the thing and move the car but once we as traders start going down that avenue you will end up been fined more taken to court and no doubt have trade plates etc denied .. |
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dave80
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Oct 18, 2013 17:58:02 GMT
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all these over zealous dvla rules are going to do is rabbit punch an already unsteady motor trade,from a government that "will rescue the economy" all I'm seeing is ways to ruin someones business by removing a customers car!the whole thing needs a rethink as this could end up costing some poor sod their livelihood!dvla clamps are quite easy to remove without damage though...
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Oct 18, 2013 18:02:45 GMT
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That's brutal.
I delivered a car to a guy a couple of years ago who had a DVLA clamp lying in his yard.
His car had been clamped for whatever reason. He took it off without damaging it and moved his car.
He wrote to the DVLA advising them that he had their clamp at his premises and that he'd store it free for 14 days thereafter he was charging £10 per day storage. He'd invoiced them £300 and given them 14 days to pay. He was just about to sue them.
I never found out how he got on.
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kenb
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Oct 18, 2013 21:10:40 GMT
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Well I think its like every law in this land people abuse the various systems. Rules are tightened, then its just gets harder for those trying to make a living. I have to say there is a trader round here who blatantly took the pee with his trade plates. You'd often see his cars with them on outside the local PO, pub and the chippy. I even saw his on a car in Tesco's once. All of the above are a big no no and it was only a matter of time before the law/DVLA caught up with him which it did.
Anyway I was under the impression that these days you could only get trade plates if you had bona fide premises, ie not domestic homes. I stand to be corrected of course.
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Oct 18, 2013 22:20:19 GMT
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In future remove the clamp, with any means necessary, obviously when the DVLA has gone and hide the vehicle somewhere else. Then just suck up the £80 fine DVLA send you for using a vehicle on the road.... oh yea expect a fine to go with the £260 removal of the clamp fee. I have "seen" at least 4/5 clamps removed from vehicles, 3 clamps removed off the same vehicle within a week and never heard of any repurcussions other than a fine from the DVLA to say that the vehicle has been seen on the road without tax. The one time they clamped the vehicle and had only placed it over the wheel. It was just getting jacked up for the chain to be pulled out and the van came back round the corner, they tried to take photos of "someone" removing the clamp but he was too quick. Heard nothing other than the £80 fine
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Rob
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de- clamp it, and sell the clamp on ebay? or take it to the local copshop and attach to a copcar?
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Last Edit: Oct 19, 2013 2:22:14 GMT by Rob
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