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Mar 15, 2012 22:35:59 GMT
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I noticed the DVLA out in Holyhead the other week, he's stopped to go and take a look at a car parked on the road. I noticed it had Caution Vehicle May Stop Suddenly on the rear door's.
Sorry I have nothing else to add to this, but have read every post.
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Mar 15, 2012 22:41:37 GMT
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Last Edit: Mar 15, 2012 22:41:57 GMT by Battles
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Mar 15, 2012 22:53:23 GMT
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Ok i'll wind me kneck in on the lifting of cars (even though in my reply fron the DVLA above they state they cant do whet they did to your mate) but i'm still saying BS on the recording lark  You could be right about the sound recording as he might just be saying it so that it puts people off from having a pop at him, or any physical abuse. Certainly there is no law from passively recording it all, just as theres no law to me using a camcorder to record everywhere I go. either way, the issue isn't the recording, its the penalising of traders for following the rules properly, and then being screwed because of it. |
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crazymonkey
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ummm....what was I doing again???
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Mar 15, 2012 23:02:00 GMT
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The one thats getting me fuming is the allowed to take cars from garage that belong to customers. there should be a law against this. In theory that would be seen as theft, as its not the garages car and belongs to someone else. Plus I can see a lot of garages trying to claim off the DVLA for loss of work, loss of payments caused by customers having to pay release fees etc.
I can see there being huge riots about this, not just traders but public as well knowing there's the chance that their car will be taken whilst having work done to it. I know I would get involved if it happened as to me its just plain theft.
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whoever said dogs were man's best friend....obviously never heard of cable ties
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Mar 15, 2012 23:12:49 GMT
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What makes it even more ridculous, is I approached a Police Officer first and asked him to explain what liabilities I had over cars in trade, and he directed me to the DVLA enforcement officer.
The Police officer couldn't adequately explain.... its a no wonder the DVLA get carte blanche to do whatever they like as they have the unnofficial backing of the Police who haven't got a clue whether its correct or not.
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RobinJI
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Mar 15, 2012 23:48:45 GMT
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I don't see how they can take a customers car that's in for work, as that wouldn't be registered to the trader, so the customer should have it either taxed or sorned, and are fully capable of doing so. Surely this only effects vehicles that are owned by the garage? It is a ridiculous situation all the same though. British bureaucracy at it's finest.  |
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the govt won't be bothered as there makeing money from this & yet again its easier to make an honest man a criminal,than a criminal an honest man.
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theres more to life than mpg & to much power is just enough.
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about 2 years ago the dvla came and took 2 cars from outside the garage next door to me, the cars were in for mot, driven there without tax- as you are allowed to do, but parked outside on the road, took both cars away, the garage then had to pay £105 each for the cars to get them back for the customers! its ridiculous.
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I'm not curse word, i just fell off my shoes
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about 2 years ago the dvla came and took 2 cars from outside the garage next door to me, the cars were in for mot, driven there without tax- as you are allowed to do, but parked outside on the road, took both cars away, the garage then had to pay £105 each for the cars to get them back for the customers! its ridiculous. That's something completely different though. You said it yourself, parked on the road, with no tax. The garage made a cockup in that case. Anyway, DVLA, law unto themselves. |
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Uncle Silvia
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I saw the vans in Plymouth this week!!!!! There coming!!!! This kinda thing but the one i saw was unmarked!??  |
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Hopefully one of their victims will get a cameraphone and record the DVLA’s dirty tricks and bosh it up on youtube, the daily mail will have a field day.
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I don't understand why we're so afraid of taking action, as a group - if French motorists were treated this way, there'd be massive, highly disruptive demonstrations. It seems that we're happier to have a pop at what we perceive as "the rich" or whatever, than "the state".
I doubt those little cameras on top of that van would last five minutes in any other country.
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about 2 years ago the dvla came and took 2 cars from outside the garage next door to me, the cars were in for mot, driven there without tax- as you are allowed to do, but parked outside on the road, took both cars away, the garage then had to pay £105 each for the cars to get them back for the customers! its ridiculous. Back in the '90s, there was a local 'interesting character' in Hawick who had been running about in uninsured, untaxed cars. He'd been warned a few times, was known to the Police, but they were convinced he was still doing it. The council were also, apparently, engaged to clear his driveway of cars. On the day the recovery vehicle was there, so were the Police. The instant one of the cars was between recovery vehicle and drive - all four wheels on the road - they nicked him. Whether the story is true or not is another matter, but it kept people nervous for a while. |
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MWF
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Mar 16, 2012 10:56:58 GMT
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So traders definitely can't tax their stock or don't do it because of the cost?
Just trying to establish the facts and not dismissing the cost issue, I know the car trade industry is really hurting right now so it would be a real kick in the teeth.
Seems to me traders will cotton on to covering their stock's number plates pretty quickly.
As for riots, sadly there's far more significant liberty issues to protest over than this right now!
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Mar 16, 2012 11:20:32 GMT
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So traders definitely can't tax their stock or don't do it because of the cost? Just trying to establish the facts and not dismissing the cost issue, I know the car trade industry is really hurting right now so it would be a real kick in the teeth. Seems to me traders will cotton on to covering their stock's number plates pretty quickly. As for riots, sadly there's far more significant liberty issues to protest over than this right now! A trader can tax their vehicles, but unless that car sells quickly, the car is losing money essentially as every month without the car being sold means its lost tax value, to the point where a customer might well ask for 6 months to be put on as a sales haggle. Coupled with the fact that the whole point of the traders section of the logbook was introduced specifically so that traders didn't have to tax vehicles that were kept off the public highway, and thats the whole point of trade plates. It appears that the traders section of the logbook is now being rendered worthless, and there soon might not be a point to having trade plates either. It would have been something if there was some kind of warning or consultation these kinds of actions were in the offing, but, it appears that DVLA are exploiting the issue to their benefit and no-one elses. |
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Last Edit: Mar 16, 2012 11:21:52 GMT by galahad
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VND
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Mar 16, 2012 11:24:30 GMT
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Well I hope nobody from the dvla look over this thread and take the opportunity seize this car dude. |
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MWF
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Mar 16, 2012 11:32:11 GMT
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So traders definitely can't tax their stock or don't do it because of the cost? Just trying to establish the facts and not dismissing the cost issue, I know the car trade industry is really hurting right now so it would be a real kick in the teeth. Seems to me traders will cotton on to covering their stock's number plates pretty quickly. As for riots, sadly there's far more significant liberty issues to protest over than this right now! A trader can tax their vehicles, but unless that car sells quickly, the car is losing money essentially as every month without the car being sold means its lost tax value, to the point where a customer might well ask for 6 months to be put on as a sales haggle. Coupled with the fact that the whole point of the traders section of the logbook was introduced specifically so that traders didn't have to tax vehicles that were kept off the public highway, and thats the whole point of trade plates. It appears that the traders section of the logbook is now being rendered worthless, and there soon might not be a point to having trade plates either. It would have been something if there was some kind of warning or consultation these kinds of actions were in the offing, but, it appears that DVLA are exploiting the issue to their benefit and no-one elses. Thanks for the confirmation, I'm just giving a heads up to a few traders I know and getting the word out to friends on social media. This is going to put a lot of small businesses under. |
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Mar 16, 2012 13:04:52 GMT
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I saw the vans in Plymouth this week!!!!! There coming!!!! This kinda thing but the one I saw was unmarked!?? Our local breakers (the local DVLA agent) yard have a few of those but they are not CCTV cameras they are reg checker cameras connected to the DVLA and insurance data base, they drive round and it flags up untaxrd cars the cameras pick up, NOT cctv and they've had them for at least 2 years in London. |
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kenb
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Mar 16, 2012 18:32:08 GMT
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Vehicles can be notified or disposed of to the Trade for three months without registering to the garage or taxing or declaring SORN. After 3 months vehicles should be registered to the company concerned and either taxed or declared SORN, as they are considered not trade after this time. This came into being 1998, but has only recently started being enforced under continuous insurance enforcement. But i guess like everything else no one ever bothers to read the rules/smallprint.
Any property that is open to the public thru normal means of business is considered fair game by law.
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doobie
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Mar 16, 2012 20:54:34 GMT
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Vehicles can be notified or disposed of to the Trade for three months without registering to the garage or taxing or declaring SORN. After 3 months vehicles should be registered to the company concerned and either taxed or declared SORN, as they are considered not trade after this time. This came into being 1998, but has only recently started being enforced under continuous insurance enforcement. But I guess like everything else no one ever bothers to read the rules/smallprint. Any property that is open to the public thru normal means of business is considered fair game by law. Its not even 3 months its 90 days.The info is all here. //www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/ dg/ en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_175090.pdf Sorry for the incomplete link just add the http at the front interesting bit for me is not having to sorn for upto 2 weeks if you are getting the car mot'ed as long as its off the road. Its all pretty clear.... |
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