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Feb 25, 2012 13:35:37 GMT
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 It's similar to but not the same as this axle on my cortina - it's originally a mk1 capri 1600 item, I had to change the shock mounts to fit the cortina due to the fore/aft arangement mentioned above. Same 9" brakes and cylinder/handbrake arrangement but the anti tramp mounts are different. My diff is a 3.7. |
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Dez
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Feb 25, 2012 13:40:22 GMT
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ah, so caterhams used modded (narrowed) ones originally then? its highly confusing as it seems all the OSF boys don't know how to measure an axle properly (any measurement other than hub face to hub face is largely useless ) and measure axle casing width instead. I always use HF>HF measurements as its handy when comparing to non-ford axles. for example the vehicle I plan on fitting this anglia axle to has a 56" HF>HF axle as standard with 4j wheels, whereas I plan on going to the 48" HF>HF anglia axle (its just doable with clearance to the springs) so I can band the wheels back out to 7 or 8j to fill the arches up again  I'm guessing theyll be mk1/2 fiesta front solid discs then looking at em? the halfshaft machinig wont be an issue, so its potentially a very cheap conversion for me (even cheaper than refurbing the drums, providing the calipers will fit withing my 13" steels) as ive got to chuck em in the lathe to redrill to 4x4" anyway. |
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Last Edit: Feb 25, 2012 13:43:13 GMT by Dez
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Feb 25, 2012 14:49:13 GMT
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this is what a 49 inch hf to hf English axle looks like  next to a 51 inch datsun axle before I modified the mounting brackets  made changing the PCD easy but getting rid of the front rubber bushes in the leafsprings and replacing them with solid nylon bushes means the axle is better located and has the benifit of acting as an antiroll bar as they try to stop the body from leaning on cornering where the rubber bushings would have a little give.  they are also offset a little to move the springs away from the wheels a little more by also welding the spring mount in slightly from the standard position fitted  |
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Last Edit: Feb 25, 2012 14:53:57 GMT by Bozwell
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Feb 25, 2012 18:33:40 GMT
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yes 3.54 not exaclty rare but always in demand (same as 3.7). afaik westfields always used the mk1/2 escort axle (48.5"). they debracketed it and added their own for the 5-link set-up. the caliper brackets on that ebay one look a bit suss just butt-welded onto the flange like that. the lazer cut ones you've bought sound like the weld-on brisca/f2 type which are decent spec. with using discs the drum backplate obviously isn't used and you'll need some spacers to fill the gap. the commonly supplied kits use discs from povo-spec mk1/2 fiesta (220mm iirc). you need to machine the half-shaft flange down to 132mm o.d. to fit in the discs. handbrake cable is from 4x4 mk5/6 rs2k. from memory, fitting the 9" capri brakes onto a 105e axle would involve re-drilling the backplates. escort (and capri english type) axles have the round flange at the ends, the cortina/corsair and anglia types have an oblong flange mounted at an angle. with the 105e and 307e (anglia van) casing there are early, late and very late. the bearing size gets larger as they get older, latter anglia use escort size bearings. 9" english drum brake set-ups always in demand, should get 50 notes for a good used set. its highly confusing as it seems all the OSF boys don't know how to measure an axle properly (any measurement other than hub face to hub face is largely useless ) and measure axle casing width instead. ha ha! i was having the very same conversation with somebody the other week! it probably stems from the escort rally prep manuals which mention the atlas axle widths being measured from flange to flange rather than h/f to h/f, must have had a knock on effect and the english type is measured that way too. the measurements are all approximately too which can be confusing, the osf boys seemingly don't see the odd 1/2 of an inch here and there! when measured as you've said along the casing it's probably 49.5" (guilty as charged!) all measurements below are approx and taken flange to flange (good name for a late night film . . . . !); capri mk1 (4 cylinder); 49.5" escort mk1/s; 48.5" anglia 105e; 44" anglia 307e (van); 46" cortina mk1; 47.25" |
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Feb 25, 2012 19:55:36 GMT
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do you know the extra to add for the for the total fitted length?
iv'e always worked it out as 6 inches but never measured it
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Dez
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Feb 25, 2012 20:37:36 GMT
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bozwell, funny you should mention the front bushes, i made some in black nylon only the other day! the lazer cut ones you've bought sound like the weld-on brisca/f2 type which are decent spec. with using discs the drum backplate obviously isn't used and you'll need some spacers to fill the gap. the commonly supplied kits use discs from povo-spec mk1/2 fiesta (220mm iirc). you need to machine the half-shaft flange down to 132mm o.d. to fit in the discs. handbrake cable is from 4x4 mk5/6 rs2k. the ones I'm looking at are bolt-on, and are for 240mm solid discs- mk3 fiesta and escort fronts, and do require the machining you mention. I'm worried they wont fit within 13" steel wheels without spacers though. they're the shorttrack ones. i assume they take the place of the backplates, so i don't need spacers? theyres also ones available for pug 405 rear discs, and the fiesta 221mm discs, but those discs have a 10mm lower offset, so any clearance gained by the smaller diameter would probably be negated by that. from memory, fitting the 9" capri brakes onto a 105e axle would involve re-drilling the backplates. escort (and capri english type) axles have the round flange at the ends, the cortina/corsair and anglia types have an oblong flange mounted at an angle. with the 105e and 307e (anglia van) casing there are early, late and very late. the bearing size gets larger as they get older, latter anglia use escort size bearings. 9" english drum brake set-ups always in demand, should get 50 notes for a good used set. ive tried the backplates on, and although they use different endcastings as you say, the bolt patterns and orientation of them are both the same, so they do swap over. as for the measurement to get HF width from casing width, ile take some accurate measurements next week, but it should be approximately 4" (2" per side). might be an eighth either way or something though, and thats assuming all halfshafts have the same length from bearing to flange, which i think they do, from what ive seen. |
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Feb 29, 2012 20:19:54 GMT
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there was a kit using pug discs but was for 14" minimum wheels afaik. capri sport sell brackets that also replace the back plate spacers. the brackets you have are 'nearasdammit' same as the ones old ford autos and milton use (i have an ofa kit and yes the discs are mk3 fiesta/240mm too!). they brackets bolt onto the back of the flange (inboard side). you'll still need spacers to replace the back plates. if you are slinging the old set out then cut them up, will probably find some witness marks on the outer face of the backplates to cut down to size! the kit using mk1 fiesta discs (221mm) is to allow early lotus cortina steels (rivetted type) and some early alloys (brm, j. a. pearce, mamba, etc) to fit. very lucky that the 9" brakes have bolted straight onto the other casing - you jammy sod! never thought to measure the halfshaft length from bearing to flange. i've noticed the offset is different between brake drum backplates to allow for wider drums. what car is this going under, 100e/107e at a guess . . . . ? |
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Dez
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Feb 29, 2012 20:45:18 GMT
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ive done a bit of work on it this week, and with parts in hand its obvious why the spacers are needed to replace the backplate. so i made some, as i want to be able to flog the drums to recoup costs. here they be-   ive turned down the hafshafts too-  so the discs now fit. i want to add a setscrew to retain the disc to halfshaft as well though, the threaded hole is there in the halfshaft, just need to mark up, drill and countersink the disc. ive also got a pair of brand new sierra calipers off a mate (for £30!!), inc new handbrake cables. just got to blast/refurb the used carriers that came with them, and I'm still waiting for the brackets to turn up. then buy pads/flexis and its complete, so its all coming together nicely. as for application, I'm actually doing two identical axles, one axle will be going under a 100e(I'm still sourcing the second set of parts, I'm halfway there) the other one my 101 victor I'm doing. its only 8" narrower than the stock axle, purely to allow me to fit the wheels i want to make, well and change the ratio to something lower than 4.1:1. itll be tight on space to the springs, and the wheels will be mega-dished with silly offsets, but it appears itll all work. an anglia van axle would have been better than a saloon one, but they're too rare and expensive for this project. i was going to redrill to 4x4" on one setup to allow me to fit the 7x13 banded victor wheels ive done, but they don't clear the disc conversion at either end (front is getting stock sierra vented discs + calipers on the original victor hubs and uprights), so instead I'm going to redrill the front end to 4x108 as well, and run banded/rerimmed sierra steels all round. |
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