Dez
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Feb 20, 2012 21:29:30 GMT
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right, I'm busy dismantling all the englishs I have to put one together for a project. so far ive got a bone stock but all brand new/refurbed 105e axle, which I want to use the casing and shafts off, as its narrow enough to then let my wheels fit. but the diff is too short a ratio for me with the silly little tyres I plan on running. but that means I can sell the 4.44 on ebay for a small fortune ;D 1st question is, are the only other taller ratios available 4.1, 3.89 and 3.7? I have a welded up 3.89 in good nick, but ideally want to go as tall as possible to counteract my tyre choice. secondy, I have another english, but I don't know what its from. pics will be up in a bit cos I have to do it a convoluted way as my camera decided to eat its memory card and my bluetooth on my laptop don't work  quick description is- approx 54" face to face imperial wheel studs 9" brakes (which are going onto the anglia axle), but with the old style all in one wheel cyl/handbrake lever and wear adjuster. girling I think. leaf spring/shock mounts, but also what appear to be anti-tramp bar mounts inboard of these, above rather than below the axle. it has a diff carrier fitted, but no diff. I was thinking maybe mk2 or 3 /tina? but I don't know enough about them to say yay or nay. I need to know so I can but the correct shoes and wheel cyls/rebuild kits for the brakes, and so I can flog the casing and shafts. |
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Last Edit: Feb 20, 2012 21:30:47 GMT by Dez
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Feb 20, 2012 21:38:50 GMT
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Mk3 cortina axle I presume you mean is a whole different kettle of fish mate its a kholn not english, try to get an axle from the mk1 2 escort /cortina corsair 105e, they are english. possibly could be a mk2 cortina 1600e one you have Dez, as they have tramp bars and 9 inch drums plus they are around 54".. Gav  |
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Last Edit: Feb 20, 2012 21:42:06 GMT by slammage
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Feb 20, 2012 21:50:22 GMT
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According to the information here: www.englishdiff.co.uk/ratios--information.htmlThere's a 3.54 ratio out there. nothing on what you might find it in though. CW tooth count is 39, pinion 11. Certainly Mk1 Escorts use Girling brakes. AFAIK, most Girling wheel cylinders are the same externally, with only the piston size changing - and you might want to change that anyway to alter the bias. I've got some Imp Girling rear cylinders sitting here if you want me to take measurements for comparison's sake? |
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Feb 20, 2012 22:03:39 GMT
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3.5's were deff in mk2 escort auto's and also poss rs2000's?
pretty sort after so you may need to use the 105 diff as trade
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Feb 20, 2012 23:05:16 GMT
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don't forget there are also two different pinion flange sizes depending how big the propshaft joints you want to be. the small ones really are small.
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Feb 20, 2012 23:32:26 GMT
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3:54's were in the Escort RS and AVO models as well as Ghias and as mentioned previously are much sort after.
I think they also ran anti-tramp bars on these models.
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Dez
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Feb 20, 2012 23:49:23 GMT
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cheers for the informations everyone. a 3.5 would be ideal i recon. but as this is a skinflint project i don't think itll be getting one unless i can either swap the 4.44 for one, or punt that out for the £100+ prices they're going for on ebay to finance one, as it does seem they're just as expensive. so ile probably end up with a cheapo 3.7.
i was aware of the prop flange sizes, thanks, i think ive got enough bits to do either setup, but will obviously go for the later larger one for convenience sake (stength shouldnt really be an issue with the power in question).
james, ile give the cyls a clean up tomorrow and get the numbers off them, see how they compare. if what ive got is mk2 tina, i can get em new for £20 a pair so they're not too pricey anyway.
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so ile probably end up with a cheapo 3.7 3.7 fitted to mk1 mexico and rs1600 - they go for silly money! good ratio, best balance between crusing/acceleration. there is a 'true' 3.9 and a 3.89, 3.9 go for a bit too but the 3.89 is relatively common and therefore cheap (should be able to score one for sub-80 notes). you should get a good return on your 4.4, maybe enough to buy a 3.54 (fitted to rs2000). your axle sounds like gt/1600e mk2 cortina. |
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3.54 are pretty expensive bought one last year paid 180 quid  |
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Dez
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well, ile be watching out for a 3.54 i recon, will get the 4.44 on ebay too. heres the pics of the axle casing and the brakes that came off it- best guess so far is the mk2 cortina GT/1600e.   |
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Feb 24, 2012 13:45:19 GMT
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That there be Lockheed brakes, I think - Girling have the adjuster opposite the cylinder. Don't know if that helps any...
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Feb 24, 2012 23:00:37 GMT
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best guess so far is the mk2 cortina GT/1600e dez, what you have there is a mk1 capri axle. the giveaway is the lower damper mountings; nearside mounts behind the axle casing and the offside mounts in front of the axle casing, this is unique to the mk1 capri. (mk2 cortina dampers mount in front of the axle casing on both sides). also, the handbrake cable pulley is used on the mk1 capri (although mk2 cortina used a similar system but that depended on whether a floor mounted or dash mounted handbrake was used). mk1 capri had anti-tramp bars, ford always fitted them above the axle. guess the bushes wear better in tension and thus reduce warranty claims - it will be for an economic reason no doubt! if you measure across the flanges with the drums off (as pictured) you should find it measures approx 50". if you get a 3.54 diff it will more than likely have the big prop flange (90mm p.c.d). bit of a dark art swapping them, best sticking to what it comes with. |
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Dez
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That there be Lockheed brakes, I think - Girling have the adjuster opposite the cylinder. Don't know if that helps any... youre right james, i was getting confused with the ones on the smaller brakes, they're girling ones. |
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Dez
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That there be Lockheed brakes, I think - Girling have the adjuster opposite the cylinder. Don't know if that helps any... youre right james, i was getting confused with the ones on the smaller brakes, they're the girling ones, i didnt check these but i think youre correct. |
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Dez
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best guess so far is the mk2 cortina GT/1600e dez, what you have there is a mk1 capri axle. the giveaway is the lower damper mountings; nearside mounts behind the axle casing and the offside mounts in front of the axle casing, this is unique to the mk1 capri. (mk2 cortina dampers mount in front of the axle casing on both sides). also, the handbrake cable pulley is used on the mk1 capri (although mk2 cortina used a similar system but that depended on whether a floor mounted or dash mounted handbrake was used). mk1 capri had anti-tramp bars, ford always fitted them above the axle. guess the bushes wear better in tension and thus reduce warranty claims - it will be for an economic reason no doubt! if you measure across the flanges with the drums off (as pictured) you should find it measures approx 50". if you get a 3.54 diff it will more than likely have the big prop flange (90mm p.c.d). bit of a dark art swapping them, best sticking to what it comes with. excellent info, thanks. you mean the casing along should measure 50"? the hubface to hubface width is around 54"-ish, which would sound about right. |
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I'll try to remember to ask my mate who has a load of rally escorts if he has a 3.54 diff in his spares store.
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there is a 3.54 on ebay at the moment . also there is a disc braked 48.5 inch axle casing with shafts. both at present very cheap but they have a way to go to end. to save you searching english casing3.54 gears |
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Dez
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Feb 25, 2012 12:46:48 GMT
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I'll try to remember to ask my mate who has a load of rally escorts if he has a 3.54 diff in his spares store. it would be appreciated, thanks  like i say, i will trade on the 4.44 or pay a fair price. |
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Dez
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Feb 25, 2012 12:57:28 GMT
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there is a 3.54 on ebay at the moment . also there is a disc braked 48.5 inch axle casing with shafts. both at present very cheap but they have a way to go to end. to save you searching english casing3.54 gearscheers for the links. ile be keeping an eye on the diff i recon. theres another couple on there too so they cant be that rare. the axle is interesting, the listing isnt clear but i think its the casing width theyve measured which will make it a anglia van axle? does anyone know what discs are used on these conversions? as ive already got some sierra calipers and lazercut brackets are under 20 quid delivered off ebay......... |
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Feb 25, 2012 13:07:49 GMT
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it's been modified for a Caterham and the such like (listing says spares for westfield). the axle i bought was 49.5 inches drum face to drum face listed for a Caterham. so in theory it should be 48 ish inches total ( but a question to the seller wouldn't hurt)
i think they use fiesta discs on a mchined down halfshaft as the oval racing pinto hotrods use a similar set up?
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