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Oct 23, 2013 16:26:59 GMT
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You're not going to believe this, but I actually did some painting on the car today. Unfortunately I think I got a little hasty as the results are not good enough so I will be redoing this. The temperature was a bit on the low side to be doing this, I didn't prep the panel as well as I should have, my masking skills were sub-par and I just eyeballed the whole design rather than planning and measuring it out. I guess I just got too excited with the early birthday present of a literal rainbow of rattle cans to play with and couldn't help myself. When you view these pictures it's the idea rather than the execution and finish that you're judging, if you're judging it at all. I guess I'm just delaying the inevitable now... but here goes, my very first ever attempt at this complexity of design done at the end of October on the street using rattle cans and masking tape.    I have learned a few things from this. First and foremost is that preparation is even more vital for complicated work like this than it is with ordinary painting. I've also learned that planning the order that you want to paint the sections is incredibly important and, because I was winging it with this design, I fell over on that point and I can see where I've made some schoolboy errors. One of the most annoying parts was finding out the lace I used for the overlay was an absorbent cotton mix rather than a cheaper nastier full synthetic so the paint soaked into the fabric and then blobbed all over spoiling the end result. I've a long way to go until I'm up to the standard I want to be, but I reckon I'm starting from a good point here. I can see how I need to change some of my ideas and which ideas are going to work well. I've also discovered that modern paint and lining tape can actually be very nice to work with. Colours: BL Flame red, VW Brilliant orange, BL Inca yellow, BL Applejack green, BL Pageant blue, Ford Velvet purple. I didn't deliberately go for mostly BL colours, it was just that they were the brightest and nearest colours to what I wanted to do. I've not used the purple on the above, and it's the only metallic of the bunch that I bought. But now I've done some practical based on the theory I can go back to my initial designs and tweak them and plan the layout better so when I do the next bit I can actually get it right. Things that I need to focus on most of all are the black borders and how much fade work I do. I think the fade on the lace panel and on the surrounding panels is too much together and needs refining. Around the lace panels the border is too heavy and uneven and the outer panels need a fine black border to really work properly and pop out from the panel in the way I want them to. When I redo this panel it will be with a far greater amount of attention to detail. Initially I was going to mask the triangles out carefully and paint them in two different colours but I was being impatient. Equally, the squares were to have a black lined motif in them. Oh and yes, the masking is appalling, my fault for not taking more time on that, I do actually know better. So there's work to be done and this panel will get redone again because the end result isn't what I absolutely want but it's a step in the direction I want to go. Best thing about paint is that when you do it wrong you can just take if off and start again and that's what I'll end up doing when I have a better boot lid design. |
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Last Edit: Oct 23, 2013 17:21:03 GMT by Deleted
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GT4ME
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Oct 23, 2013 17:08:48 GMT
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Looks fab I'd say, good work  |
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Oct 23, 2013 18:22:35 GMT
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Pretty good for a quick job & rattle cans!
You really should invest in a small compressor & spraygun, it will save you a fortune over spraycans. You could buy both for less than £70 if you shop around and you would have a lot of control over fogging then apart from being able to touch in small areas easily.
1st rule of painting;
Preparation is 90% of the job.
2nd rule of paint;
Praparation!!!
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Oct 23, 2013 18:36:10 GMT
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@gt4me: cheers I've already got a better design and plan of attack laid out, need a few more materials to realise it so in the meantime I'm just going to tidy up what I've done best I can. Makes me happy looking at it for now, so that's good. @blackpop: I know those rules, why did I not heed them? This was the quickest and easiest way to get going, I've only used an airbrush a couple of times and it went disastrously wrong so I stuck to what I knew. Must try harder, particularly with you paying attention  |
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Clement
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Oct 23, 2013 19:48:13 GMT
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Well you might be disappointed but I love it! Needs more flake though  |
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Oct 23, 2013 21:23:43 GMT
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Try one of these; spraygunsIt's the bigger gun, he does not seem to have the 1.0mm tip minigun for sale at present. This will still spray down to a tiny spot and gently mist the thinnest of coats if set to minimum. It's a cheap gun but can produce excellent results. I painted a lot of the Anglia with one as they spray smoother than my £250 DeVilbiss JGA guns. |
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Oct 23, 2013 23:37:39 GMT
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I've quite literally gone back to the drawing board with this design and have something I'm almost happy with and is more like the side design idea. Not sure if I'm running with it yet as there's a few elements that aren't sitting right for me, but I've learned a lot about how not to do it from the above. Going to need to acquire some more black and some more beige as I've almost run out of the former and can't find the nearly full tin of the latter. Still, it's not like I'm in a rush to get this done.
I'm even less likely to be able to invest in a spraygun and paraphernalia on account of a chronic lack of space, again, and really If I'm investing in any tools it's got to be a mini blowtorch first as that's going to be a lot more practical for current mechanical concerns.
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Well I think for a spontaneous first attempt this looks pretty darn good... It may well have not been porperly prepared nor thought out but it looks bold and striking and I think that's the point right?!
With a bit more time taken and a proper plan to follow I can just see this looking nothing short of amazing.
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VIP
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I had already ruled hydraulics out, I'm told it's a harder ride than air which is not an option, I really want to keep the squidgy floatiness as much as possible. Also, don't you need more structural points to mount hydraulics than you do for air? This in itself poses an issue as I don't have the conventional suspension mounting points on the Princess with there being no springs or shocks and no separate chassis to utilise. Hydraulics can ride as roughly or smoothly as you want. You can use accumulators for 'damping' (like the spheres on Citroen suspension), or fluid displacement rams which will serve the same purpose. With displacement, you can fine tune the damping 'softness' by try different spring rates. As for mounting, its the same for hydraulic rams as it is for bags really. You need a mounting point on the body, and a mounting point on the suspension component. |
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Dear Mr Vulgalour, Why, oh why, oh why, does this make me smile? Yours sincerely, Confused of Manila. If BL had painted them all this way, perhaps we could have overlooked the other faults. |
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Oct 24, 2013 20:40:28 GMT
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you say you had a bad day painting in terms of finish, I'd struggle to match that on a good day. Looks great.
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I've been surprised at the positive response to this. For years I've wanted something Custom Car of my own but for one reason or another never really done it. Okay, so I've not festooned the car with chrome, metalflake, button velvet, slot mags and a mini bar but we all have to start somewhere.
I've spent a few hours planning out a new design for the boot lid and refining the colours and details of the other sections of the bodywork and I'm happy I have something I can work with now. Just a case of carefully planning the masking and painting properly rather than rushing headlong into it so that I can actually make a good job of it.
I need a rivet gun to put the trim clips back on to reinstate the chrome. I need to either get the sphere free from the spare axle or steal one from the HLS if it's easier to sort out the suspension and I need to get hold of a set of Lotus wheel nuts including the locking nuts to get the proper wheels on the car.
How I wish I could just throw some money at a professional, give them the car and tell them to make it awesome. But where would the fun in that be?
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For a first go at that sort of paint I would be very happy with that myself!
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Isn't it odd how a single remark from a fellow enthusiast can really clarify an idea and point out a direction you didn't realise your plans were actually going? With the inspiration of Custom Car and to a degree Street Machine in my past and more recently the Bosozoku movement and Moroccan architecture and design I was finding it difficult to really cut through to a cohesive idea of where I was heading, I just had this loose notion of what I wanted to achieve. Now, however, I have a very clear point of inspiration that encompasses everything I love when it comes to custom paint and balls out showmanship.    I shan't share anything more specific than the above and what you've already seen in the thread, but a tiny number of people know my plans and only I know how it should look in its finished form as I just don't have the skills to realise it digitally. I shall be keeping you in suspense for now, but I will titillate by offering you the information that in addition to the lurid paint scheme I am also investigating the use of LED technology to really make something truly fantastic, appalling, beautiful and hideous that's utterly appealing to my own sense of modified car aesthetic. Just have to hope the Super Storm (tm) holds off so I can get to work properly this weekend. |
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Prelude to 'Super Storm' TM appears to have started a bit early down South, so hopefully you'll get a decent couple of hours this morning before it blows up to you, looking forwards to seeing the results, I did like the side mock up you did.
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I am also investigating the use of LED technology to really make something truly fantastic, appalling, beautiful and hideous that's utterly appealing to my own sense of modified car aesthetic. And with that all the planets aligned and all was right in the universe... |
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Oct 26, 2013 15:23:22 GMT
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I have plans for a crochet granny square blanket for the rear seat since I can make that sort of thing myself and it's about as 70s as you get. Spent the dry parts of today sanding all the paint off so I can layout and paint up the new design tomorrow, if the weather holds. Not sure how far I'll get, we shall have to wait and see.
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Oct 30, 2013 16:21:11 GMT
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Some good news is that my spare axle components that I've been battling with have been taken away to a place with tools that can get the pivot shafts out. Bad news is that it's going to be another fortnight before the spheres return to me and I can make an attempt at sorting out my suspension and then I have to organise the local specialist coming out to pump everything up. Frustrating, really, as I'm not getting to use the car, but it's progress of a sort. In other news, I've been trying to find windows of opportunity in the weather so I can get on with this paint. I'm well aware that the conditions I'm working in are far from ideal but I know the limitations of the paint and am working within that. I would like to mask up the entire panel once it's all lined, spray with appropriate colours, unmask and be done. However, I'm only really getting a 2-3 hour window of opportunity each day and today is the first one where it's reliable not rained, been too cold or far too windy to work since I first painted the boot lid. Got the first line masked, black painted then the second set of lines masked before spraying the orange on and uncovered it all so I could mark out the next bit. This went quite well and I even remembered to leave a gap for the overlap of one of the other lines... and completely forgot to leave all the other gaps the pattern dictates. I also had some issues with the masking tape not sticking to the paper hence the overspray on the rear valance. I need to take the rear bumper off to complete the pattern properly so I'm just doing the boot lid for now.  Feeling a bit confident at this result, I marked out two more colour lines and masked up what will become the red line. Black went on then very suddenly the weather changed. The black was almost touch dry but I know there's a good chance the spots of rain will have messed this up. I waited for a while to see if the weather would clear but it just got colder and wetter so that's as far as I can go today.  Removed all the tape and paper and I'll have another go another day.  I'm not going to show you the plan for the colour scheme, you'll just have to wait and see it develop. Because I can't seem to get my head around the location of the overlaps even with the plan in front of me, I'm going to paint the lines in and add the overlaps afterwards where needed. So far, I'm much happier with this design than the first attempt and the extra planning does show and has made things easier to work out as I go along. Finally, the blanket/seat covers I'm making needs 300 little granny squares and so far I've made 52 so there's good progress on that too. I finally have a very clear idea in my head for this edition of the Princess and if it continues to come out as well as it is doing so far it should end up being pretty darned awesome. |
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Oct 30, 2013 17:42:20 GMT
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You know that looks pretty bloody snazzy really, like two player nokia snake all over your car.
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Last Edit: Oct 30, 2013 17:42:48 GMT by cobblers
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PHUQ
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Oct 30, 2013 18:03:16 GMT
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The whole thing is completely beyond comprehension to me, I have no idea how one could look at the back end of a Princess snd think "I know what this needs...". I've got to say though, even if you aren't 100% convinced by the execution of your first attempt, both iterations look fantastic! Really looking forward to seeing it grow and evolve.
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