onlyrwd
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Sept 24, 2006 19:31:21 GMT
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Some of you may have seen this in other forums, so forgive me if this is the case. The fruitcakes who run this country alongside their bum-chums in scaggy rags like the Guardian want Top Gear banned after Richard Hammonds crash (how sick is using someones misfortune to further you own political gain, eh?). Anyway, there has been an immediate fightback and an online petition, so please sign it and send a clear message to the poxy nanny state that we will not bow to their we-know-best dictums anymore. www.petitiononline.com/tg100/petition.html |
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Sept 24, 2006 19:32:21 GMT
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Its already been posponed indefinatly!
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Last Edit: Sept 24, 2006 19:33:59 GMT by Blown_Imp
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Sept 24, 2006 19:36:41 GMT
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only postponed untill hes up and about properly
theyve stoppped the tg repeats on uktv but sky mention him and say gws when brainiac comes on
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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Sept 24, 2006 21:06:38 GMT
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Sept 24, 2006 21:17:21 GMT
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I heard there was no actual truth behind this? BBC have pulled it out of respect for Hammond/Hammond's family while he's incapacitated. I've heard several different groups supposedly responsible for trying to get it "banned" so the story seems inconsitant already.
However, how exactly are they going to get it "banned"?
The Church of England (which in case you forgot actually governs this country) could not prevent the BBC showing "Jerry Springer The Muscial" stuff on TV despite getting a motion of 60 bishops in the House of Lords against it.
Nobody has to power to "ban" TV shows. You can be prosecuted if you break several laws on obscenity, racial hatred, etc. (all of which are not applicable in this case) and it is possible in some cases to get a public interest injunction - if you are Tony Blair or MI5, but this has to be a matter of national security. Again, not. And specific programme elements could be held by a high court injunction if it were seen to meet certain legal requirements (usually libel or likelyhood of influencing a jury or electoral process).
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Last Edit: Sept 24, 2006 21:17:54 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Sept 24, 2006 21:18:36 GMT
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Never underestimate the power of NuLabour and Transport2000.
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Last Edit: Sept 24, 2006 21:19:06 GMT by twinspark
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Sept 24, 2006 21:24:34 GMT
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Transport2000 have been after a quadruple rate of fuel duty since 1994 or 1995. They have nevr got it and high duty is in the financial interest of the government. The government is hardly lightly to draft and introduce new legislation to allow it to cease a TV show when it has a very limited electoral timetable as it stands. Such new legislation would have to get Royal Assent which means it has to be read by the queen in a speach at a state opening of parliament and would also have to pass through the house of lords. Oh, unless they want to invoke the Parliament Act.
Transport2000 is not a particularly influential organisation. Its not a vote winner. There is no legal framework to allow it. Any attempt to do so would create an uproar as "constitutionally" (and the words in quotes for a reason) the government cannot directly control the media including the BBC.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Sept 24, 2006 21:32:44 GMT
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Last Edit: Sept 24, 2006 21:33:39 GMT by Deleted
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B-8-D
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Sept 24, 2006 21:44:02 GMT
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 yet another thing that makes me ashaimed to be british i realy hate this curse word nanny state makes me feel like just giving up on every thing a selling up tomorrow to get the hell out and belive me if i could i would be outta here very true.. we are just one step behind the us!! in the nanny state stakes!! when the french don't like something the whole country stops!! thats sticking together... i see revolution soon!! no really!! si |
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Sept 24, 2006 22:15:27 GMT
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I have already signed the petition as posting 5649 this morning, I suggest those that havent do so.
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Sept 24, 2006 23:00:59 GMT
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Ermm... I'm with alistairk here, I think it's just rumour. The BBC would never pull the plug on a TV programme with such a large audience - The BBC, like every other business, is in it to make money. And TG makes them plenty.
The government, like AK says, will have neither the means nor the inclination to ban a TV programme. However much they like "banning" things.
The hand-wringing do-gooders have obviously pounced upon Hammonds misfortune as some sort of symbol of all that's bad about Top Gear and used it to highlight their agenda, which, I reckon, gets the support of about 0.000001% of the public.
I'll sign the petition but I think it's a storm in a tea cup.
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Last Edit: Sept 24, 2006 23:01:47 GMT by BenzBoy
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kerbsidemotors
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Sept 24, 2006 23:08:16 GMT
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The people who are trying to ban top gear are the same people top gear rebels against. I hope they don't shelve it but if they do they are taking BBC2's highest rating programme off the air!
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Sept 24, 2006 23:57:01 GMT
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yet another thing that makes me ashaimed to be british i realy hate this curse word nanny state makes me feel like just giving up on every thing a selling up tomorrow to get the hell out and belive me if i could i would be outta here very true.. we are just one step behind the us!! in the nanny state stakes!! when the french don't like something the whole country stops!! thats sticking together... i see revolution soon!! no really!! si now you know i don't mean you guys, but the British people are about the softest and most obliging people in the world, and not in a good way. we suffer and let be all that goes on, very few dare to stand up and shout and no-one since cromwell has been able to form and hold together enough protesters to follow through with anything. i do not see revolution coming, in fact what i see is the culmination of this country soon under a misleading government a total dictatorship in which the PM can have whatever he wants done and nobody will challenge it. Don't forget every way of protesting is crushed and the g'ment do not listen to public opinion. not to mention anyone sick enough to do anything has already left. i like this quote i found whilst signing: "i believed the BBC to be a non political organisation. please keep it like that. I also wonder if you will stop showing nature programs given the recent death during filming of a well known aussie.?" and "Surely if this was unsafe, wouldn't crashing @ 300mph have killed him??" |
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Sept 25, 2006 7:42:28 GMT
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Mr Skoda has a good point. I would use the term "apethetic" to describe the British rather than "soft" or "obliging". I don't think we are "soft", we fight bloody hard for other peoples causes (although seldom our own) and "obliging" suggests we are volunatrily helpful to others, we are not, we just let other people get on with their agenda and when told we are following their lead thats what we do.
I believe firmly that this is some form of collective guilt from our Imperial days. Can't push the British adenda too far, what is this, the Empire all over again, oh no, sit quietly and do as you are told. Much better idea. Much more "modern". Mind you what was Chaimberlain's excuse?
There have been many successful protests. There have been more revolutions and civil wars than Cromwell. Even the likes of Emily Pankhurst, Ned Ludd, poll tax protests, William Wilberforce... You don't have to overthrow a government to effect change.
The dictatorial style of government "popular" in the UK since 1979 is a product of several things, 1st our desire to emulate the USA and its presidential style government (but without the presidentail style restriction on that executive power), 2nd the perpetuation of a 2 party system and 3rd the lack of genuine representation in the electoral system itself. Add to this an apethetic nature towards politics (how many times have you heard someone say "it doesn't matter they're all the same" or words to that effect?) and you have a system which works very well to protect and promote those people who are savvy in how it operates and disenfrachises those who do not. And the amazing thing is that the people who are disenfracnhised have brought it on themselves. The mass media is full of bland rubbish designed to satisfy half awake minimal number of brain cells and keep people's minds off the real issues. Even most mainstream reporting is just political froth. Yet people drink it down and regurgitate it. Nobody ever seems to look for the real story, the real agenda and even if someone serves it up on a plate to them as cold hard facts you get told "oh well, what you gonna do, can't change anything..." or "well, all poliiticians are the same as each other"... "Now whats Big Borther's Nikki doing, I want to know about that instead".
I think our porblem is that we have been too comfortable for too long. Except for a very very small minority even the poor in this country are not really poor. Pretty much everyone has access to a roof over their head, some form of heat, clean running water, a basic health service, etc etc. Theres plenty of countries in the world where those things are seen as a luxury. Something like 70% of the world's population has no access to a television. I'm not sure that TV is what defines "society" or "poverty" but in the context of that meaning electical white goods and the services which accompany them you start to get the picture.
Yet we'd rather sit on our fat (and getting fatter) back sides and complain how hard we have life and not actually do anything about it, just tune into the latest brainwashing of nonsence from another global media-entertainment giant has mulched down into easy to swallow slop so you're brain doesn't even have to chew. And yeah, I'm as bad as anyone else for this. I'll sit on my sofa in my nice three bed house and read a car maagzine and drink a coffee and the world goes on without my involvement on any level except I do my duty as a capitalist stooge abd consume, consume, consume.
Anyone who is a student of history should know the rather distinct parallels between British society today and that of ancient Greece or Rome in the 4th century...
"The sun never sets on the British Empire" - is it me or is it twilight?
Now who's up for doing something about it?
No?
Thought not.
See you in the funny pages.
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Last Edit: Sept 25, 2006 7:42:47 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Sept 25, 2006 8:45:02 GMT
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Yet we'd rather sit on our fat (and getting fatter) back sides and complain how hard we have life and not actually do anything about it, just tune into the latest brainwashing of nonsence from another global media-entertainment giant has mulched down into easy to swallow slop so you're brain doesn't even have to chew. And yeah, I'm as bad as anyone else for this. I'll sit on my sofa in my nice three bed house and read a car maagzine and drink a coffee and the world goes on without my involvement on any level except I do my duty as a capitalist stooge abd consume, consume, consume. Well said, we a nation of fat lazy melodramatic wingers. |
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Sept 25, 2006 8:46:31 GMT
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Yeah, sadly I am in full agreement with that.
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Sept 25, 2006 9:17:44 GMT
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Crikey Alistar_K!
Sad thing is, I'd agree with what you're saying.
I like to think I'm one of those who would do something, and actively try to make a change, but sometimes I just can't find the motivation to do things, not because there's no passion, just no energy.
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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Shortcut
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I won't be there when you cross the road, so always use the Green Cross Code.
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Sept 25, 2006 9:21:46 GMT
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hey! Is Rev back!!. Good well argued concise post!
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Sept 25, 2006 9:27:03 GMT
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I wish Hammond all the best and to his family.
But the loss of 'Toss Gear' ...so what? It's fantasist tripe anyway these days!
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Sept 25, 2006 9:31:41 GMT
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I wouldn't miss it, I think it's long past it's sell by date now - but I digress. I can't see them 'banning' it - Whilst I think the media was very correct in relaying information about the accident it did seem to blow it out of all proportion and as such it's now suffering its own backlash from that - which will probably soon simmer down. My suspicion is that when Mr. Hammond has recovered, well enough to continue filming for the show and any H&S issues have been cleared, the show will carry on. I'm sure they've all signed disclaimers for accidents that may occur and have all the correct insurance so I can't imagine there'll be much bother there  Just any chance for botherers to make noise and they'll jump right on the bandwagon, yet at the end of the day, it just fizzles out. ..........I hope.... |
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Last Edit: Sept 25, 2006 9:33:53 GMT by Lewis
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yet another thing that makes me ashaimed to be british i realy hate this curse word nanny state 
