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Dudes (and dudettes) I am looking at a possible change of daily whip and I see a ride of style and quality but with a horrifically leaky windscreen. I know from last time I phoned around a lot of screen fitters don't want to touch this type of job.
Fitter removes screen, pops off to another job, meanwhile I clean up the channels, rust proof, etc. fitter pops back and reinstalls screen.
I know its "possible" to bond screens yourself but I'm not 100% sure I'd do so with any less leaks than it has now
plus I phoned around trying to get the sealant and nobody seemed to stock it.
So question #2 - where can I buy the black goop and the stuff that goes on the screen itself? As I recall screen bonding is a 2 part process.
Cheers
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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A mate of mine called mike sells the glue for sticking the windows in the sides of t4s and t5s. His website is www.c-m-c.org.uk - Give him a bell or something, he does a lot of mail order. You find it hard to get the glue because the manufacturers don't allow distributors to sell to the public - As you'll know windscreens are structural in a lot of vehicles, so they have some agreement where they only sell to trained and licensed fitters. It's fancy stuff, though and comes with stickers where you can put the current time down, and the time that the vehicle can "drive away" at. IIRC it's something like 20 minutes for something without side airbags, and 40 for stuff with. We always leave stuff overnight, but then we are fitting cheap repro windows in the side of vans and we usually need to bend the glass to get it to fit right. I've never done a windscreen, but I must have done 30-40 van windows and only one has ever leaked, but that was because the glass we were fitting really was completely not the right curve for the side of the van. The bloke I build vans with can sometimes get a box of glue out of the back door (but still pays a lot for it!) from a chap he knows at a major distributor, but he sneaks it out like it's full of drugs or something, and says "don't tell anyone where you got this, alright?" about ten times a minute. So I can't tell you.
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Last Edit: Jan 5, 2012 17:03:48 GMT by cobblers
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Cheers for that info.
I think we can take it as read I won't be doing a car which has side air bags LOL.
I've watched windscreens being done and TBH it doesn't seem like rocket science.
I don't mind paying someone to do it so long as they don't take the curse word on the price. Last place I asked wanted like £80 to take a screen out and the same to refit.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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I'd personally much rather be refitting one than taking the curse word out. It's the removal that requires all the tools (fancy knives to cut the bond, strange hooks to send some square section cheesewire through and then the cheesewire handles to run it round). Again, I've taken a few windows out, and it's definitely not the easiest, but it's not something that you need mega skills to do. The tools are expensive from what I can remember, though.
Putting them back in is literally a case of just cleaning all the surfaces up, running a V bead of glue in the right place and lifting the glass in place. The glue grabs mega strong, so they hold themselves wherever you put them, but I always shim the bottom with a tile spacer and use a bit of masking tape to stop it sliding down at all.
The only "knack" is working out how much glue you can get away with putting on, and where to center your bead. Excess glue that splurges out wipes off with standard thinners and some blue roll if you can get at it within a few minutes.
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Not sure if this is going to be of any help to you, but I dealt with Allscreens in Loughborough, not quite Nottingham I know, but they were friendly and helpful, might be worth giving them a shout to see if they can help you out!? Contact Address: Clearview Business Park, Loughborough Road, Quorn, Leicestershire. LE12 8DU Telephone: 0800 14 44 747 www.allscreens-nationwide.co.uk/contact.htm
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I use somebody in derby called advanced windscreens hes very good and not to bad in price his number is 07973 302150
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1985 manta coupe 3.0 24v 1985 porsche 944
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pretty sure my local motorfactor has windscreen stuff on the shelf, bought some last year.
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cheers guys,
I've actually taken plenty of bonded screens out and using little more than a couple of screwdrivers, stanley knife and a steel spreader... Usually by the time I get to them little more than gravity and bathroom sealant is holding them in anyway...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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hmmm if you search on eBay for "windscreen bonding" you find both the tools and the goop, primer and so forth.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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10mpg
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I was a windscreen fitter in my summers when at uni (the first time..) it's surprisingly tricky to get 100% right and get the screen sitting level and leak free, getting screens out when bonded in properly can be a mare, if you got them out with a couple of screwdrivers akku it eithr wasn’t fitted right or the surround had rotted to hell, (that was the case with my mustang!)
If you want a step by step guide to fitting a windscreen bell me or I can write it down for you if you like
The best way to get the glue is to buy it of a window fitter, the aftermarket stuff is pap, most wondow fitters will bung you a few tubes for a fiver they don't pay for it! I used to have boxes of the stuff till it went off, but you will need the primers for the glass and the metal as well or the glue wont take properly..
If you have a national mobile windscreens call them, that's who I worked for and we did loads of weird stuff from Mustangs to Morgans no problem..
EDIT obv wrote this before the last few replies, just forgot to hit send!
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Last Edit: Jan 5, 2012 22:49:10 GMT by 10mpg
The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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I find a Vauxhall windscreen fitted in 1969 will come out if you look at it the wrong way...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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I've done quite a few bonded screens now and never had any problems with leaks. The tube nozzle is designed so you lay a fairly tall triangular bead on the glass which squashes out when fitted. The glass often has little rubber blocks under the edges to support it in the correct place but often they get destroyed when removing the glass. It's easy enough to m ake some more though. I usually go buy some stuff from a local screen fitter. It's pricey that way but at least you get the proper quality stuff. You also need the cleaner and primer which has a 'use by' date.
For me the real hard work is removing them in one piece, especially if they are laminated. Toughened screens are so bad. Have a proper cutter but it's really only safe on toughened screens. For laminated ones I just use knives to to cut them out. Takes time but if you're patient they can be done. If you have an old laminated screen which is going cloudy at the edges due to delamination then be ultra careful... they break very easily!
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1962 Datsun Bluebird Estate - 1971 Datsun 510 SSS - 1976 Datsun 710 SSS - 1981 Dodge van - 1985 Nissan Cherry Europe GTi - 1988 Nissan Prairie - 1990 Hyundai Pony Pickup - 1992 Mazda MX5
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call your local classic resto place and ask who they use to do there windscreen work as they wont use your Autofarse types after they just done a £20.000 paint job, if you were closer i would be able to sort it for you as said above you need the bond, primers/activators and the correct glass cleaner, well on the bond system i use you do, also most of the bond comes in sausage type packs and not the old sillicone type tubes, you would need the correct bond gun too, sorry to be the proffit of doom but i would think it would cost you or anyone else alot to do one job once you have bought all the tools etc, try what i said above.
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MK2 Cortina Estate
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