jonw
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Hi All.
Has anyone here got a DAB car head unit? Am thinking of buying one as the oe Audi one in my (non-retro) A2 is on the blink.
are they any good? Any recommendations? Was thinking of a kenwood as they look the best.
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Isn't DAB kinda going the way of Betamax?
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All the independent finance for it got pulled more than a year ago, its only the tax payer keeping it afloat now, the digital switchover deadline got moved out twice now and almost get binned completely. The BBC who were the only "driving force" of DAB are now talking about mobile internet radio and other platforms. Tiny proportion of radios are DAB (compared to TVs which get digital TV) and the majority of radios still selling are non-digital.
Mostly the thing which I reckon kills it is Murdoch isn't interested in it.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Pure do a DAB unit which connects to your existing set up with a remote unit for control. I still hear that reception is pretty patchy but sure that will only improve BBC6 on it's own is good enough reason to do it
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^Aye, that's the Pure Highway 300Di, about £180 notes from Halfords.
My Mrs has DAB in her car (came as standard). It's mostly OK, but doesn't like Belfast City Centre much, and Porsche Sat Nav woman keeps interrupting, even when you've no route inputted.
Parrot Asteroid is 300 bills, but is an internet radio (iPhone/Droid) and uses your phone.
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Joe T
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I have DAB in two of my cars, and wouldnt ever listen to anything else. The sound quality is much betterthan FM for in-car listening imo, and the channel choice is great - for me Planet Rock sells it alone!
Both cars have it built-in, so sorry I cant comment on aftermarket units.
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Depends where you are in relation to transmitters too. With FM, if reception is a bit patchy the music goes a little crackly or fades, but with DAB it cuts out completely.
on-board internet will be the next level. Its already available in some new cars and it opens up the possibility of streaming internet radio or Spotify etc in the car.
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mym
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i'd rather have LW in the car.
means i can listen to test match special!
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You already have in car internet in the aftermarket. Parrot, Phonacar, Pioneer and others offer headunits with it in. Also 3 do a portable hotspot thing and you can also hook your smartphone to your headunit and stream via internet radio on that, or use a service like Spotify or Audiogalaxy. BBC6 is available on internet radio too.
3G coverage is also patchy.
DAB reception will only improve if the BBC/government dig deeper into the tax payers pocket to invest in new transmitters. Not sure I see that being a priority for them, whereas the mobile phone companies are continually re-investing in better data coverage as its their business that runs off of it.
If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on 3G based "radio" services. Especially as so much more than radio runs off 3G/4G/5G etc.
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Last Edit: Jan 3, 2012 14:08:07 GMT by akku
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If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on 3G based "radio" services. Especially as so much more than radio runs off 3G/4G/5G etc. All true. There's a lot of private sector money going into improved cellular services, much more than DAB. It has the added advantage that, as long as you have a compatible phone and cellular data service, adding it to your car requires only an audio line-in. I'll stand by DAB until the day it goes off the air though. I have three or four DAB radios, the quality and selection on them is brill. I've been trying to get a retro-fit DAB module for one of our moderns. The OEM ICE had it the model year after ours but is somehow incompatible. Very frustrating.
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I can't get DAB reception where I live, mind you I can't get Radio 4 on FM where I live unless on a "proper" aerial. I have to listen via the web, no options.
DAB was another missed opportunity. RDS was as well as it could have done so much more than the commercial implementation we got. C'est la vie
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I didn't know any of this. Very interesting. I must say I've always wanted digital radio in the car for the additional clarity and selection. However, I think onboard internet is more likely. Good thread +
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DAB is about selection not clarity. Audio performance of DAB is inferior to normal FM due to the amount of compression. Same way as so many of the "cheap" satellite TV channels have really pixelly or blocky pictures, same with sound on DAB. So I am told, as I say, I've not managed to get much in the way of DAB signal to play with, and when I did it was with a little portable radio, so little personal experience to comment on.
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Audio performance of DAB is inferior to normal FM due to the amount of compression. I think that's unfair to the manufacturers of good DAB gear. The ability to decompress is all about the abilities of the DAB hardware. I have a couple of Pure units that are very good, an Onkyo unit that's brilliant and a couple of off-brand numbers that are good enough but poor in comparison to the others. That said, one of the Pure units has terrible speakers and one of the off-brand numbers has a line-in that makes iPods sound amazingly rich and clear, so it must have a good amp and speaker combo. Particularly for anyone wanting to keep the original dash in a retro or classic. It's dead easy to stash a little line-in amp behind the dash and present the cable into the glovebox.
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1900sr
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i'd rather have LW in the car. means I can listen to test match special! With DAB TMS is available on 5 Live Sports Extra, so that's all good. I've been through most of the DAB head units that Halfords sell this last year, except the Kenwood. I've settled on a JVC KD-DB52 (sister company to Kenwood), coupled to an external mag mount aerial. I really liked the Sonichi that they do except it seems to not like being coupled up to an external amp, as it sends a thump through the speakers randomly. It was fine without the amp though, so if you've no plans to use one then it may be a good buy. The Philips units in my experience seemed to have some minor software issues (MP3 track display breaking up randomly and going into DAB display, and sometimes cracking though the speakers when changing tracks). The Clarity unit wasn't bad for a cheapy, but does create some hiss through the speakers. On all units, with the external mag mount aerials reception has been good, the only time I've really lost it was in the Lake District, and I couldn't get FM either. Technically, DAB sound quality will be poorer than a good FM signal, but most of our FM broadcasting is compressed as well. For most people listening in car DAB will be great, especially if you like the MW stations. For me, having 5 Live crystal clear is brilliant, and also 6 Music. While I think it's technically true that analogue radio are outselling DAB units, a lot of this is down to the number of products with radio tuners built in, eg smart phones, i-pod docks etc. Certainly I've found that people who want to buy a radio are generally buying DAB, and most of the small systems we sell with analogue tuners are sold to people who never listen to the radio, or only use the local stations, which round our way are not likely to go digital for a long time. Most people who complain about the quality of DAB (the ones who have actually heard the difference) are serious hi-fi enthusiasts with very high end gear, usually using a top quality tuner and aerial set up to listen to Radio 3. So, in summary, go for a Kenwood or JVC unit and enjoy it.
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Last Edit: Jan 3, 2012 17:41:03 GMT by 1900sr
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Most people who complain about the quality of DAB (the ones who have actually heard the difference) are serious hi-fi enthusiasts with very high end gear, usually using a top quality tuner and aerial set up to listen to Radio 3. Everything I know about Akku (yank V8s, decked Passats and erudite posting) reeks of Radio 3.
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I've had a high end Kenwood and a top of the range Blaupunkt (both well over £400 many years ago) DAB units specifically for the DAB as I love Planet Rock and BBC 7 (Nights with Alice Cooper=best radio show evaar)
Both were complete curse word, patchy signal and annoying delay when it switches from DAB to FM, eg when the Radio 2 DAB signal drops out the Kenwood automatically switches to the FM transmission, good in theory but what you actually get is a second of silence followed by a signal that was two seconds ahead of the DAB anyway, so you have no idea what was going on in a conversation or debate...
I'd not bother anymore even though I love it, I keep DAB on in the house, just for the choice of stations, though I get most of them through SKY on the TV anyway...
That said other than the shonky DAB the Blaupunkt was the best head unit I've ever had (Woodstock DAB 54) not flashy but really usable and simple with great features and superb sound quality, though my current Alpine is close second if the ipod streaming system wasnt such a pita... superb unit though I’d have another even if they are ancient now!
That said whilst they were both poor the Blaupunkt was light years ahead of the Kenwood in terms of DAB signal, not great but at least i could use most of the time it wheras the Kenwood made me resort to beating it with an empty coke bottle on more than one occasion
just my two pence worth.
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Last Edit: Jan 3, 2012 18:54:38 GMT by 10mpg
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1900sr
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The modern DAB tuners seem a lot better than the old ones, I'd used an old Grundig unit (seperate DAB in the boot) for about 6 years and that did drop out a lot, especially around Lincoln. All the units tried in the last year have been great for reception.
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i had an almost identical blaupunkt DAB 53 (cant remember name) to 10mpg. it came in a car, fitted by a professional with extra expensive ariel, etc. as a headunit, i really liked it, worked nicely as noted above, until the SD card slot packed up. then i lost the face somewhere in kingston when visiting my missus at uni, sh1t a brick at the price of even a second hand replacement, and never bothered with it again.
my problem with it was signal/coverage, or lack of. it was novel being able to pick up planet rock when i strayed near enough to london village to get a comprehensible signal, but that wasnt very often. i couldnt put radio one on and drive from colchester down the a12, round the m25 and then back up the a3 without it loosing signal and making the horrible underwater noise that was very annoying- much worse than static.
at the mo i use a cheap (About £60 new) kenwood cd/fm jobby, and i can drive all over the country with no loss of signal, it re-tuning itself now and then to pickup up the strongest signal it can from the nearest transmitter.
when DAB can do that, and do it on the more obscure stations id want it for like planet rock or xfm not just BBC ones, then id be interested in it again. oh yeah, and a head unit being significantly under £100 too.
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