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Dec 16, 2011 20:25:52 GMT
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Hi all, just picked up my cage hoop for my ginetta and now need to sort the legs out. Can someone help me in regards to notching the legs ready to weld onto the hoop top horizontal? Looking for tips, advice, any machines I could build to aid the making, how to mark the pipe correctly before cutting it too sort but with a nice mouth lol Cheers Chris
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Dec 16, 2011 20:47:02 GMT
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This is what you need A tube notcher
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Last Edit: Dec 16, 2011 20:49:36 GMT by Minikidx14
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Dec 16, 2011 20:52:41 GMT
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If you don't want to invest $$$, look for a program called "winmiter".Its freeware and very basic, but works fine.
You input the diameters of tubes you are joining and the angle of the join and it outputs a template you print, cut out and wrap around the tube, which gives you the line to grind/file to for a good joint.
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1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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Dec 16, 2011 20:57:00 GMT
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yep unfortunately I only plan on making two maybe 3 max so cant justify a real notcher but that software sounds like a win win! I shall look it up, thank you for the tip!!
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Dec 16, 2011 21:06:41 GMT
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Dec 16, 2011 21:54:05 GMT
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Dec 16, 2011 22:10:21 GMT
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wrap a piece of paper round the tube and tape it up so you have a cylinder. slide the paper off the tube. flatten it. line the the end of the paper up with the open end of the tube. draw round the tube. ( at this point you should have a rectangle of paper with a circle drawn on it... ) next cut the circle exactly in half. then cut out the semi-circle. open the paper cylinder back up slide it back onto the tube and draw round it. remove the paper and grind to your line. then keep offering it up and reaming the edge till it fits snug. hope this helps. I'm not very good at explaining stuff... this is basically what that programme does.
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!!!SPREAD THE WORD OF MR PIKE'S RETRO EMPORIUM!!!
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Dec 16, 2011 22:33:12 GMT
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That's alright if you're joining the tubes at 90o, surely? Any other angle and it's rather more complicated.
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1989 Peugeot 205. You know, the one that was parked in a ditch on the campsite at RRG'17... the glass is always full. but the ratio of air to water may vary.
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Dec 16, 2011 22:52:36 GMT
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this is true, but from the description of what he wants to do, i pictured it would be a 90 ( dint know how to do the degree symbol ) join.
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!!!SPREAD THE WORD OF MR PIKE'S RETRO EMPORIUM!!!
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Dec 16, 2011 23:09:48 GMT
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thanks for the comments so far guys, heres a picture of my drawing showing the angle needed on the cage. Ive just ordered a tacky angle finder of the digital kind from ebay so that help too. the main hoop is at an 80 degree angle due to seat/head location and the rear legs are now going to so straight to shelf without the bend in, helps with forces and all that jazz.
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Dec 18, 2011 17:39:58 GMT
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Hey cheers guys and the pics are very helpful just to see it working Chris
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da6t
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Dec 22, 2011 20:06:59 GMT
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you can buy hand operated, guillotine style notchers, we use them at work, wouldnt be cheap though and no good for anything other than 90 degrees!! don't forget that your going to lose 8 or so mil off your length when you notch it, probably wont affect you but worth noting!
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Dec 23, 2011 17:16:47 GMT
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After spending close to 3 days notching these tubes by hand.... I'd be damned grateful for something like that tool at the top! We used a lathe with a cutting tool the same diameter as the tube we were cutting, but it just kept folding the tubes over if we went past 45 degrees
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You're like a crazy backyard genius!
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Dec 23, 2011 21:02:06 GMT
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We used a lathe with a cutting tool the same diameter as the tube we were cutting, but it just kept folding the tubes over if we went past 45 degrees Interesting looking assembly in that pic. What was the wall thickness out of interest? I tried making a jig for doing this a long time ago by drilling out a short offcut of steel bar to make a doughnut shape and then boring a hole at the right angle into the side of it in a four jaw chuck on the lathe. The idea was you insert the tube and use it as a guide for a drill the right diameter. It made a right mess as the big pillar drill wrapped the tube round into a big knot and sent the vice holding it across the workshop. So don't do it that way The tubes in my pics above are 3mm wall but took about 10 minutes each to do: chop out a V shape with a cutting disc, round it out with a flap wheel and finish off with a half round file. That online coping tool puts axial lines in at 90 degree intervals which make a handy guide where to stop cutting each side of the V. Would have thought the same technique would work ok with thinner wall tubes too.
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Dec 23, 2011 22:55:21 GMT
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The main hoop was something around 3mm thickness IIRC, the rest is all 1.2mm. Most of them were a PITA to do, as each end were joining onto a joint of two other tubes, which were never in-line with any other cut you made on the tube, and each side had to be at different angles :\ Still got to do the front section, and the diff support section! Then build the suspension (after they've finally given us dimensions!) slap it all together, and hopefully, compete! Lol, and what you did sounds like an industral tennis-ball thrower gone wrong;D
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You're like a crazy backyard genius!
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Dec 25, 2011 23:15:28 GMT
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I always just use a 4.5" grinder with ceramic flap discs for spaceframes, haven't found anything faster yet...
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Dez
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Dec 26, 2011 14:19:02 GMT
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ive always found this method as quick and as easy as anything else when working with things other than 90 degrees. if its a simple 90 deg. joint i use the pillar drill and a hole cutter.
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Dec 26, 2011 15:51:10 GMT
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Hi-What book or magazine is that info in? It looks very useful-and might go well with tea too!!
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