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Apr 29, 2012 12:19:13 GMT
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Are they inboard brakes on these? I really should know, my formative modifying education included lots of chromed Jag IRS set ups. They are on the Series I-III Jags, but Jaguar changed to outboard discs from the XJ40. The late facelift XJ-S switched to outboard discs too, but some years after the XJ40. David
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foxy99
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Apr 29, 2012 20:51:14 GMT
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It sounds like a crazy place to have the brakes, from a servicing point of view, but is supposed to be good dynamically (less weight bouncing about at wheels).
I'd read a lot of articles about replacing the calipers discs etc and it seemed a bit daunting but I would say now that taking the IRS out is a breeze if you have space and a day or two to spare.
I spent several days under the car trying to get the calipers out before giving up. It was easier taking the IRS 'cage' out.
In fairness to Jaguar when they designed that car they wouldn't have been trying to cater for the needs of someone working on it when it was as old as this. When the cars were newer and less rusty the calipers etc would probably come out in an hour or so, in a proper workshop.
You apparently need to be able to drop the rear arms 28" to replace the rear discs if the cage is on the car. This would be tricky for the home mechanic but fine for a workshop with the cars up at a good height.
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Last Edit: May 1, 2012 0:15:09 GMT by foxy99
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Last Edit: May 3, 2012 2:23:46 GMT by foxy99
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My next project.......
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Apr 30, 2012 19:29:33 GMT
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Go on while it's out disassemble it totally and make it all nice and shiny
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foxy99
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I'm tempted mirafioriman. It's actually back on the car now but will be coming down again soon as I need to replace the metal fuel line that runs up over it and also fit new shocks etc. I really just want to get the thing on the road and MoTd asap and stripping it all down, powdercoating etc could add unnecessary weeks to the 10 year project
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Last Edit: May 1, 2012 0:44:13 GMT by foxy99
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back to the log which reveals some bodywork progress February 2011 - Friday 11th - 'barn after work and unbelievably got the inner arch fully welded in!!! its bang on but there is def a problem with the outer & inner panels altho the outer measures correctly from chrome swageline. broke camera tonight when putting stuff away in boot. fcukin ragin!!!'
- Saturday 12th - 'got to barn @ 6 via B&Q/Halfords for MIG gas/wire-brush etc. worked till 2 in morn and unbelievably got outer sill on with only slight errors. had to drill all plug holes in the outer, sandblast the inner (not as bad as feared). re-primed it then sprayed Dynax on that and outer. got it plug welded at front fully plus a couple at B post and one at rear. took it up too high at rear cos door fouling slightly. unable to get it right up under the A post but end cap fitted in nicely @ front and plugwelds coming out good'
- Monday 14th - 'decided to start work on front rad/wing strut repair and ended up taking off the panel below bottom grille. spent night scraping paint off it with chisels'
- Tuesday 15th Feb - 'barn after work and sanded rest of paint off bottom panel. paint stripper last night didn't make much impression on it. looks like it might've been lacquered from new'
- Thursday 17th - 'barn after work. cut out rotted bits of drivers side rad strut, xmember closing plate. welded in new patch @ bottom of inner wing. 6 or 7 out of 10 but it won't be seen anyway'
- Monday 21st - 'barn after work. back to work on front rad strut. ended up blasting all bits on inner wing and started on top rail which probably doesn't need done. strangely this was harder to shift and I made mistake of pressing water drain on filter and system seemed to be backing-up with air. painted all bare parts with some thinned Eastwood red'
- Wednesday 23rd - 'barn after work & spent night shaping up repairs to rad support upright and xmember-end closing plate'
- Sunday 27th - 'dried off, wire brushed and sanded the Jag lower body panel'
- Monday 28th - 'etch primed Jag lower front valance'
- Tuesday 29th - 'bought a new tube of Cataloy at Halfords put some on all the front pits of the Jag panel and most of the rear'
March 2011- Wednesday 1st - 'got flat plate done on RHS of front x-member. spent rest of day shaping upright part and got it tacked in. did small bit of blasting on surround areas but seems like trap is fcuked as I cleaned whole system last week and fault still there. started trying to remove large bush from radius arm'
- Thursday 3rd - 'barn after work and finished welding in the upright including the captive nut salvaged from original panel. did a bit more chipping on the suspension bush. painted it all in some pre-thinned Eastwoods. also removed lower rad grille tonight. came off easily. had to take the other fog/spot lamp off to get to driver's side screw. put the screws back in from vertical panel that were in the rust stripping stuff'
- Sunday 6th - 'spent ages splitting old bush in radius arm to find it is 'shouldered' so can only come out one way. could actually push it in and out by hand afterwards so assumed other one would be a breeze but not quite. left it and moved on to wing vertical support on passenger side. not worth saving any of closing plate & upright is fine but had to cut out bottom of upright to get plate out. for some reason this side has several more spotwelds'
- Monday 7th - 'barn after work. sandblasted rusty bits of inner wing and 90% made up repair patch for crossmember closing plate. took trap off blasting pot cos of the hissing problem and it did work so must be a problem with the trap...more money!!'
- Tuesday 8th - 'barn after work. drilled holes for plugs in patch made last night. plugged it and it shaped up fine but outer rear plug didn't catch . made up small repair for bottom of upright but welder wouldn't catch. think it was a loose tip @ torch as things improved once that tightened up. primed it all with Eastwoods. not too bad. ordered Caramel paint from Oval today. quite dear. will be nearly £70 I reckon'
- Friday 11th - 'barn 8 to 1pm. spent some time cleaning up Jag driveshaft shrouds to take pics. couldn't free off the jubilee clips and turns out they are different inner & outer despite part no's being same. turned to problem area @ end of driver's sill. prob is the 'chassis leg' outer face/wheelarch flange sitting too far inboard of the seatbelt mount bolt so cut the end cap to splay it out a few mm's then welded it back up. went well. will need to fix loose connection on torch wiring. discovered another major reason for end problems: the end cap is thinner than the passenger side one so it makes the sill seem longer!!! don't want to do last few plugs at that area till wiring fixed'
- Monday 14th - 'barn after work. spent night measuring, checking, trial fitting driver's side end cap and building it up with 3 crescent shape plates on outer curve to bring it all up thick enough to meet sill end-flange. tacked sill end flange on too. shaping up nicely'
- Tuesday 15th - ' productive afternoon. got the end cap in nice & snug and also adjusted rear door to close 98% spot on so it cleared sill then plugged up the sill end onto the end cap & closed up the spilt where it was cut to shorten the flange gap'
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Last Edit: May 3, 2012 1:47:40 GMT by foxy99
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Kieran
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Great restoration work, keep it up! One of the most beautiful car of all time IMO.
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foxy99
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Thanks xj40. I'm within touching distance. Can't wait for the day I fire it up ;D
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March 2011 (continued)- Wednesday 16th - 'barn after work and fitted new IRS mounts an manouvered it back under car onto some wood but gonna need a lot more blocks'
- Thursday 17th - 'got blocks of wood to use on IRS but before I knew it has back wheel off Royale and ended up fixing large rust hole where seatbelt mount was'
- Friday 18th - 'got IRS about 75% bolted up. job done'
- Tuesday 22nd - 'started back on rear end of Jag to try to get last two bolts thru'
- Wednesday 23rd - 'got two front bolts into passenger side IRS mount and one on the other side. tried to put wheels back on but weight is pulling arm down so will need to put brake discs back in'
- Friday 25th - 'took jag down off axle stands after replacing brake discs and shims. passenger side radius arm doesn't look like its going to connect up - curse word'
- Thursday 31st - 'barn 9-12. could not be arsed getting started but things turned out really well apart from lack of tap to run through driver's side radius arm mount but the arm went up ok even with the torn main bush. unbelievably the passenger side one also went up and the thread on that was spot on but then couldn't find the smaller bolt for the strap. as the car was up off the ground ended up scraping off a lot of the oil/crud from rear diff. after tightening up the main pivot nuts found that one of the passenger side wire-locked nuts is loose - weird. took various measurements on floorpan for guy on XJ Lovers forum'
April 2011- Friday 1st - 'barn after work and put the Jag up on blocks of wood then, unbelievably, got 70% of the plug welds done on the passenger side outer sill!!! ran out of gas as expected [and had went to Halfords on way down to get CO2 (at reasonable price £13.99 - and I did highlight it to the girl but she wasn't interested)] so decided to give longer grille a quick polish before putting it back on and ended up in agony/panic as I squirted it in my eye. did 8-11. so chuffed about getting sill done. nutz!'
- Tuesday 5th - 'barn after work and cleaned up the flanges on bottom of driver's sill. got front and rear end plugged on. plugs are good but it will not meet floor edge put on in Uddingston all those years ago. fcukin raging. rain coming in barn & moisture running down everything and wheels painted the other day getting lovely orange spots on them. gave up & went home. devastated. what is the fcukin point. will need to cut sill & turn it into a patchwork quilt or cut the whole fcukin thing out and start again'
- Wednesday 6th - 'went to barn for more damp torture. chamoised side of Jag and went outside and put some wood over a couple of the vents to try to stop so much water getting in. after another round of measuring, jacking, template making, scraping around lunar surface of driver's side floor bit, started nibbling/hacksawing slot in bottom of sill to split it'
- Thursday 7th - 'barn after work & finished cutting (destroying?) the bottom of the outer sill along 3/4s of its length. will probably end up a mess as there will be nothing left to purchase on to jack the skin towards the new extended flange'
- Friday 8th - 'barn after work and started welding 1/4" strips into bottom of sill. worked ok but still a fcukin mess and sill still shy to go up despite taking more measurments and finding very little difference between repairs on left/right'
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Last Edit: May 8, 2012 1:12:45 GMT by foxy99
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Last Edit: Dec 21, 2012 0:49:43 GMT by foxy99
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Nice work on the sill, alway a job to get lined up but the door gaps look good , don't envy you having to bridge that gap on the sill, having to weld upside down got weld splatter in your ears yet!
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I wonder if they supplied the wrong part? The gap in that looks like it's a sill for a completely different car. How very odd.
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Rob I suppose I need to look at the positives and one of them is that the passenger side turned out pefect and the door gaps are good on both sides. Strangely enough the welding upside down hasn't been a problem. The best thing I ever did was put the car up on four large blocks of wood and keep the tyres pumped right up as it gives me a lot more room to work underneath Volksangyl Its definitely the right part and from articles I've seen before (plus my own experience on the driver's side) when you fit them there is quite a sag in the middle which you jack up to meet the floorpan. However, I think I'm partly to blame as the first ever repair I did to this car was to put a new edge on the driver's side floorpan and I didn't consider at the time what degree of accuracy I'd need for it to meet the outer sill at a later date. Having said that the piece I put on could only have been a few mm to0 short - if that - and certainly not a over a cm. I tried measuring from the centre line of the car out to both floor edges at several points and the driver's side was only a few mm narrower. It might be a bad pressing as it doesn't fit in as well at the A post either. They aren't very expensive so I should have perhaps bought another one but by the time I got that far it was plug welded on at various places at the top so would've been a bit difficult to take it off driver's side sill viewed from under passenger side rear door shows outer sill sag which is expected on new panels but normally disappears when jacked up to meet floorpan this was gap/sag on passenger side which tied up nicelyI forgot to put in some pics of my 'safety first' approach to removing replacing the IRS. Basically ease it up or down with plenty wooden blocks IRS can be lifted onto blocks of wood by hand to get room to get jack under as you jack it up more wood can be placed under each endyou get there eventuallyone bolt wouldn't go inbought some decent used IRS mounts off eBay to keep costs down
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Last Edit: May 9, 2012 0:43:05 GMT by foxy99
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Ok, seeing as my Photobucket has reached its limit and my pics won't be available again till the 15th I might as well put the last few log entries on. There is a bit of a lull in work on the VDP from early April as I started repairing the front wing on my Royale which took up most available evenings over about 7 weeks. Also the Royale was off the road for 2 weeks - with an ignition fault then a few days working on its rear hub - which limited my visits to the barn. I also met a new girlfriend in June (still with her) and ended up in hospital for a few days (with a Quinsy throat) which seemed like a good time to stop keeping a diary as it was taking up time I didn't have. May 2011nothing June 2011- Wednesday 29th - 'scuffed Jag wing stays (down to metal on corners) and did coat of International primer on them'
July 2011- Friday 1st - 'emptied acid tub and found Jag vacuum-reservoir bracket in it. pretty far gone! mb not worth priming. also gave parts including Jag wing brackets another coat of Manor'
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Last Edit: May 22, 2012 2:45:49 GMT by foxy99
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The weather just now is perfect for painting. Its as warm as its likely to ever get in the barn (20 degrees even at 10 at night) and I just had to use some of the paint I bought for the Daimler about a year ago. It wasn't cheap but I mixed up a small amount tonight and sprayed the front 'apron'. I reckon there will be enough to do the sills, rear valance, rear arches etc so the car at least is all one colour. Its a pity I didn't have all the repaired body area in primer resdy for topcoat just now. By the time I've done that the weather could be rubbish again. Its amazing how all the hours spent grinding, cutting, blasting, shaping & welding in freezing winter months melt away when you get a bit dry weather and some new paint on ;D
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May 25, 2012 17:39:04 GMT
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Outer sills are horrific. I sent three back before I got one that was half decent. I queried it with the supplier, and they said that it is down to the age of the tooling and that you get good/bad depending on where the part comes from and how old it is.
That was with the Jaguar panels too. The last one I had from Hadrian might as well have been a flat sheet of steel with a lip on... it was only curved to the correct profile at either end.
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"You're about as likely to come across a fully functioning old Jag, as you are a taxicab that smells agreeable." - James May
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foxy99
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richw82 that's interesting as I just assumed the panels would be good because of the JDHT classic spares scheme that came in some time ago where they highlighted the fact all the parts were done on the original tools etc. My parts were 'genuine' Jag and the one fitted perfectly so I assumed I was at fault for the problems on the other side. You live and learn I guess
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May 26, 2012 19:34:08 GMT
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There's some good pictures on xj restorations facebook page of the work he has to do to get rear wings to fit. Quite scary in places!
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"You're about as likely to come across a fully functioning old Jag, as you are a taxicab that smells agreeable." - James May
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Last Edit: Jun 1, 2012 2:26:19 GMT by foxy99
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