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Aug 18, 2021 12:41:00 GMT
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Thanks for the advice PhilA but that's something I wouldn't have even considered as I'm a 'plug & play' merchant. I tend not to stray from factory spec. Also It would mean buying another set of rings, unless they are available separately Actually, when removing the old rings, I'm pretty sure none of the chrome top rings broke but I know several of the cast ones did. In fact I'm worried some of the new ones will break when I'm fitting them on so I'm glad I've got some spare old ones just in case. I know it's prob bad practise to mix old and new but I just want to get the thing assembled tbh Would've thought they're available there still, but I had really good service from Deves Piston Rings over here, they'll be in the book probably, and if not, give them the measurements and they'll make your set for you. I think it was about $85 for a full set for the GTA.
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Aug 23, 2021 20:41:55 GMT
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$85 for a set of rings seems pretty decent and I have to say I had no idea you could get rings custom-made... I assumed once the spares ran out (for a rare vehicle) you were effectively out of luck regarding rebuilding engine. I've heard of pistons being re-made but never understood how they factor in the over-size if they don't have an original to work from Anyway I got back to cleaning my liners. The replacement stones came for the honing tool and were identical to the ones which wore out so these may wear out just as quickly. The were £2.83 (£4.79 with P&P) so it wouldn't really cost much to do all the liners even if you wore out several sets. I've taken the tension off the legs so they might last longer but then you won't get the same cutting power from them and have also put drill down to slowest speed. Seems to be working ok. How long should it take to do each liner? Well I'm doing them for about 3 minutes - ie length of a song on the radio - and once I've done the 12 will go back over them for another song etc etc until they are clean. I could of course be making the bores larger than they should be which would make them useless but what else can you do? Would it be better just to use them as they are? I've no idea. I've not got any after pics right now but there's a picture of one before (#7) as an example. This is one of the ones which had its piston stuck in it and needed to be pressed apart. I've also given the JD41s a 1st coat of Hammerite Smooth silver. It's really just to stop them going red with moisture in air when the bad weather comes back replacement stones for honing tool identical to last onessome paint on the liner tools#7 liner prior to honing
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Aug 23, 2021 20:52:13 GMT
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Best way to check the bores is with a ring and piston, use the piston to push a ring squarely down the bore and measure the gap at various intervals, if the gap doesn't change much but is on the large side you can fit oversize rings, you might get a bit of piston slap when it's cold but it will run OK.
If the gap changes significantly as you go down the bore it really needs a re-bore or new liner.
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Aug 23, 2021 21:11:40 GMT
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I'm loving this thread, but i'm probably a bit odd in that I love the detail required to do engine rebuild s properly.
Remember my Dad's Rover P5B needing a new rope seal as it resembled the Torrey Canyon after a drive. I Think we had to soak the rope seal in oil before fitting it.
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Needs a bigger hammer mate.......
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Just looked back- you mention the stones wearing out. They looked pretty dry, did you oil them before honing the bores?
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Just looked back- you mention the stones wearing out. They looked pretty dry, did you oil them before honing the bores? Hi PhilA. Yes liberal use of oil during the honing. I was squirting it out a can as I did the honing
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Sept 3, 2021 12:44:43 GMT
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Sept 3, 2021 15:36:28 GMT
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The bit you have put as spigot for the rubber bush is actually the top race for the ball joint, you have to hammer it down to remove it (i.e. towards where the ball joint would have been).
Once done you can buy fully sealed joints that the are same on the MK2 and XJ6/12 going on into the 90's I believe. You can get a whole car set off e-bay for around £40.
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"balljoint parts. not sure why they are shimmed (4 of)" - setting up / wear adjustment.
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"balljoint parts. not sure why they are shimmed (4 of)" - setting up / wear adjustment. Indeed, just like the old minis, however as you can now buy sealed replacements for peanuts its just not worth it unless you are going for concourse standard and want it to be original.
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Sept 4, 2021 18:23:38 GMT
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The Jaguar manual tells you you must not use shims to take up wear in the joint
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Sept 4, 2021 18:24:33 GMT
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The bit you have put as spigot for the rubber bush is actually the top race for the ball joint, you have to hammer it down to remove it (i.e. towards where the ball joint would have been). Once done you can buy fully sealed joints that the are same on the MK2 and XJ6/12 going on into the 90's I believe. You can get a whole car set off e-bay for around £40. I just called it the spigot as that's what the Jaguar manual calls it, and also some listings online. Others call it 'socket - ballpin'
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Sept 4, 2021 19:00:52 GMT
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The Jaguar manual tells you you must not use shims to take up wear in the joint In which case the shims are just to set it up originally then due to manufacturing tollerances.
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Sept 4, 2021 22:32:27 GMT
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you have to hammer it down to remove it Yip. I got to your post after having worked that out, the long way lol. I measured the opening underneath (44mm) and did same above (40mm) so it had to come down the way. I thought easiest way would be to squeeze it in a vice as far as I could then tapped it out with a drift. This was on Friday night. It went fine apart from the damaged bits wanted to break off or fold over so there was a bit of tippy-tapping on the sides to straighten things up then put the thing back in vice and do a bit more. I also found that the 2nd one the ball-pin is rusted/worn so can't really be re-used. As mentioned the other day my subframe-to-body bushes are actually fine so hardly seems worth using the new ones especially as the y are pattern parts (no Metalastik branding on them, but they have had part-no. stickers on them at some point which are almost fully peeled off). There is actually a collar that goes inside each bush, which the bolt then sits in and I checked to make sure it fits the pattern bushes. I'm degreasing/cleaning various parts prior to electrolysis and one of the ones found is the O/S engine-mount. The rubber part of it is detachable and looks quite squashed so that's another one to be replaced. can't seem to find the N/S mount but it will turn up. I was actually surprised at how quickly the electrolysis had worked on the pieces dipped on Thursday night but felt they could do with a little longer so they went back in with some more bits attached (brake shields). Interestingly the washers didn't lose any rust at all despite being on the ARB links which did lose a lot. Must have been dirt or something separating them pressing spigot downwards. the lip is quite weak and tends to crush spigot free from upright this pin is in bad condition another piece to refurb and replace rubber (O/S engine-to-subframe mount) original subframe-to-chassis bushes apparently in good condition new pattern parts are not Metalastik brand collars from originals do fit pattern parts electrolysis worked quite quickly on these parts (but not on washers). parts put back in for further cleaning
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So I turned up at 9am today as had agreed to do another day's work with the Gaffer but the minute I saw him I knew it was a non-starter. He'd had a few yesterday afternoon, when we planned it, and looked rather fragile. We decided to do a half day in afternoon so I got into the barn and started sorting/sifting thru all my storage tubs. It's great to get organised I also dug out the bits from last night in electrolysis tank and was surprised that they were (nearly) all ready for paint. The ARB link-bracket wasn't really clean at all and the washers were now (mostly) clean but still one or two not touched. I decided to do them again wired separately, rather than sitting on another component. I prob won't even re-use them but it's good to see the process working. The last time I painted any of the suspension parts I used my (expensive ) Glasurit epoxy primer and I don't think it's a good idea to mix this in tiny amounts as the hardener is dark red and I see it showing in some of the paint which means I've not mixed it right or put too much in. I felt it was a better idea to wait till everything is ready then do the lot in one go but that means leaving bare-metal bits all over the place so I decided to shoot up to Halfords for some etch-primer. Their brand was £9.99 and was next to their normal grey primer for exact same price so being a cynic I was wary thinking it's probably no different. I therefore went for the dearer (£14) Upol version in a slightly smaller can. it said 'acid' on it so it must be super-duper acid etching stuff that will dig into the metal and protect it forever Anyway after cleaning the de-rusted parts I sprayed them all with the etch primer and am quite pleased about this. Looking fwd to finishing all the bits, getting the epoxy on top and then some topcoat - hopefully black 2K I bought a while back. You might ask why do you need to clean the de-rusted parts. Well when you remove them from the tub they look sort of black but as soon as you dry them they go a horrible orange/brown powdery way but this brushes off very easily leaving the bare/etched surface behind. It's amazing how easily the stuff brushes off. So with that done I wired some more bits together to put in tank for tomorrow or Monday. parts after removing from electrolysis and drying. one part has been brushed cleantwo other brake shields brushed clean. bracket needs to go back in tub difference on washers shows how getting good electrical connection is importantARB links etched cleanspring-pan also ready for paintUpol etch primer on various partstrack rod arms L&R. part numbers are not the ones in parts list. arrows must indicate direction of travelmore pieces for cleaning
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Sept 7, 2021 12:55:14 GMT
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Interresting to see this electrolysis derusting. I tried it myself some years ago and it worked ok but a bit slowly. I found that small items like bolts, nuts and washers could be derusted with good result in 35% vinegar.It is smelly and you need to wash everything in warm water and dry it to prevent rust, but it works.
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Sept 7, 2021 16:23:22 GMT
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Interresting to see this electrolysis derusting. I tried it myself some years ago and it worked ok but a bit slowly. I found that small items like bolts, nuts and washers could be derusted with good result in 35% vinegar.It is smelly and you need to wash everything in warm water and dry it to prevent rust, but it works. I've been doing the vinegar thing for years (even large items) and it definitely works. I even like the smell lol. However the electrolysis seems to be working super-quick for me and it's cheaper no having to empty the whole supermarket shelves of vinegar The best one I think was Oxalic Acid. I may go back to it. It seemed to leave a yellowy/orange coating on the parts which looked like rust but couldn't be scraped or washed off, even after years. I have some parts I did with this that I didn't paint and they have been lying under my Hillman Imp for years and not re-rusted. I need to try painting them or do a comparison test with 2 identical items painted same but one stripped electrolysis and one Oxalic
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Sept 7, 2021 18:39:36 GMT
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I've been using citric acid recently (bought from ebay for around £15 for a 5kg tub). I'm not sure how strong its meant to be but i've been using three paint can lids (used as a scoop) to roughly one bucket of water and you can do a lot in it before it need changing.
It seems to work really well for cleaning things, especially if the water is warm.
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I've been using citric acid recently (bought from ebay for around £15 for a 5kg tub). I'm not sure how strong its meant to be but i've been using three paint can lids (used as a scoop) to roughly one bucket of water and you can do a lot in it before it need changing. It seems to work really well for cleaning things, especially if the water is warm. Yes. The Bilt Hamber Deox C stuff was citric acid afaik and it was pretty expensive but, as you say, worked well when hot. I think I did the calipers from the VDP in that which is detailed waaay back in this thread
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