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Dec 11, 2011 18:21:39 GMT
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I'm looking to buy a car trailer some time soon, mainly to transport my track car but also for general car-shifting duties.
The thing is, I don't know much about trailers. Previously, I've either borrowed a trailer or hired one. These have been twin-axle trailers and the ones from the hire place even have a tilting bed! I won't be able to afford anything that posh though - just some ramps will do!
I'd be looking to carry cars up to 1500kg (more likely closer to 1200kg but I'm being cautious).
What do I need to look for? Are there plates on trailers which tell you how much weight they're rated for? On a twin axle (I'd prefer a twin axle) do both axles need to be braked? What thing should I look out for before buying? General chassis condition, brakes and axles, wheel bearings I'd guess? How much should I pay for a basic twin-axle car transporter? What about parts availability?
So many questions! ;D
I could continue renting them, but the thing is if anything happens to the trailer (like it gets nicked) I have to pay for a replacement. Plus it's a pain arranging to collect it, putting down a deposit, etc etc... I'd much rather just have my own I can use whenever I like!
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Dec 11, 2011 20:00:16 GMT
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All purpose built trailers should be plated. If your buying one that doesnt have a plate then its either been home built or more likely its nicked. Thats the biggest thing to look out for when buying one because if it does turn out to be stolen you wont see a penny of your money back.
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Dec 11, 2011 20:13:44 GMT
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Ideally, it will have a weight plate giving its empty weight and max load capacity. This will only be there if its a factory made thing though - anything home made will likely not have a plate. All wheels must be braked, and preferably it should have auto-reverse brakes. As the name suggests, they allow reversing automatically. Older brakes require you to get out and flip a wee lever or catch on the hitch before reversing to prevent the brakes coming on as you back up. It it has ramps, check it also has somewhere to stow them securely. designs where the ramps are fixed to the end and hinge up vertically are a pain as they limit the length of car you can fit on where detachable ramps allow an overhang. Fixed tail lights mounted out of the way are a must, as messing with trailerboards quickly gets old. Given VOSA's ever increasing vigilance and changes in legislation, I would aim for a factory-build job rather than home made, as the lack of a weight plate may land you in trouble at a checkpoint if they believe its not up the carrying the weight you have on it. Check the tyres are good, not just tread, but look for cracks and perishing. Check they are load-rated to cope with the trailers max weight. Most car tyres are not up to the job, it really should have van tyres. Beware the small, wide, low profile tyres on some newer trailers as they are very expensive to replace. Have a spare wheel and a means of fitting it at the roadside....your cars jack might not lift the trailer and the wheelbrace might not fit trailer nuts. Look at the tyre wear...if its uneven, bald on the edges, then they might be old car tyres fitted to the trailer, or it might mean it has alignment problems......its rare for anything to be adjustable, so if something is "out" then its been bent either through overloading or hitting something. Look down the sides and check the wheels are parallel as far as you can tell. Check the brakes work (auto reverse) as follows......pull the handbrake on half-way and the trailer will not roll forwards, but with a bit of effort will push backwards. Pull the h-brake on fully and it should not roll forwards at all, and will only push backwards a few inches before a clunck from each wheel and they will lock up completely. Check the cables are not frayed, and lift the coupling up and down with it not hitched up....some play is normal and grease through the nipples will cure it, if its 10mm+ they it has probably never been greased and the bushings in the damper are worn, which can be expensive. If you have a trolley jack and the seller is willing, lift it one side at a time and check for play in the bearings. (rock the wheel top and bottom, handbrake off, as you would with a car) If the hub nut covers are slightly conical with a flat face,then it probably runs tapered bearings which you can tighten up......remove the cap, pull out the split pin, tighten the hub nut right up, slacken it off, then re-tighten to "pretty tight", refit the split pin and fit the cap full of new grease If they hub nut covers look like this...... then the bearings are NOT adjustable and will need replaced if worn. The hub nut under these caps is a "one-shot" nut that should never be re-used if removed. Check its not rusty, obviously bent or twisted and generally looks "right". I look through ebay at them every now and then and the dangerous, worn out old wibblepoo some people are selling is comical and decent ones often want strong money, with the likes of a used Ifor Williams or Indespension often not far off the brand new prices.......which is something to consider. A used Ifor on ebay that may need tyres and some other bits n bobs may well cost more once sorted out than a brand spanker from a dealership, who are often willing to haggle or throw in extras like spare wheel, straps, winch etc. Do you NEED one? trailer are ace, but they are cumbersome, require storage, are very, VERY desireable and stealable and if stolen will never, ever be recovered.
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Last Edit: Dec 11, 2011 20:21:17 GMT by dave21478
1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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Dec 11, 2011 20:16:37 GMT
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Cheers Rich, yeah that was my other worry - buying a stolen one!
So the trailer should have a plate, presumably with the manufacturer's name, a chassis number, max. payload and trailer weight?
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Dec 11, 2011 20:18:46 GMT
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Oh, and if you are buying one from a known brand name, then contact them with the serial number (or maybe the cops?) to see if it is stolen or not. Serial number should be on the weight plate and may also be stamped into the chassis somewhere around the front.
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1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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Dec 11, 2011 20:21:41 GMT
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Thanks for the comprehensive write-up, Dave21478! I have the space to store a trailer (although not limitless space- I dare say it would still get in the way a bit). It would definitely come in handy though. I do worry about it getting nicked. I could keep on hiring them, but pretty soon I'll have spent the cost of a 2nd hand one on renting them and have nothing to show for it! I'm not in a massive hurry to get one - the track car hasn't been finished yet and I don't have a tow vehicle (I borrow that to at the moment). I'm just researching, presently.
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Last Edit: Dec 11, 2011 20:31:35 GMT by BenzBoy
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Dec 11, 2011 20:23:24 GMT
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No problems. I used to sell, hire, service and repair them for a living, so if you have any questions, just ask.
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1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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Dec 11, 2011 20:33:57 GMT
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No problems. I used to sell, hire, service and repair them for a living, so if you have any questions, just ask. Thanks! I'm definitely not as confident buying a trailer as I would be buying an old car.
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Dec 11, 2011 20:53:29 GMT
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Just treat it like buying a car. You wouldnt buy a car if the VIN plate was missing or it looked like it had been messed with (at least, most people wouldnt). Find out where the seller got it from, how long he's had it. Does he have the original bill of sale? Any genuine seller wont mind you doing a bit of digging. Most importantly, if something seems too good to be true then it probably is, so if you have any doubts at all just walk away.
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Dec 11, 2011 20:58:29 GMT
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Its all about getting the right trailer for you there's lots out there and most home made trailers are stolen . I have had a few and deal in stolen stuff. checkout the likes of pistonheads and ebay it will give you ideas on size etc
you need to look into your insurance and having a taco if you are going to earn from it
the worse thing is storing them so they are not in the way Lol
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Last Edit: Dec 12, 2011 12:21:01 GMT by Graham
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Dec 12, 2011 16:15:05 GMT
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make sure your car can tow it too lol and of course you are legally able to tow as well
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Dec 12, 2011 18:09:05 GMT
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I think my trailer fails on everything mentioned. but i've shifted Many cars thousands of miles in total. It started out with fixed ramps, fixed lights and was a vey tidy unlikely homebuilt but no manufacture plate. purchased from police though. not siezed was used by themselves for years. I've had it ten years been stopped manytimes, but always let back on my way regardless of what"silly" cars i've had on it. 3 wheels at times. So long as the tyres are good. If loaded its strapped down properly and your lights work you should never have any problems. one assumes as you've hired them your licence is correct, however that leglistlation appears to be a bit of a failure in my book.
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Dec 12, 2011 23:21:46 GMT
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Also make sure the trailer isn't plated to carry more than the tow car can tow, even if you never get to that weight i know a few people have been done at VOSA checkpoints for it, crazy but true !
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Also make sure the trailer isn't plated to carry more than the tow car can tow, even if you never get to that weight I know a few people have been done at VOSA checkpoints for it, crazy but true ! My understanding (don't believe everything you read on 'tinternet - including this) is that you can be done for exceeding the towing weight of your car if the trailer is plated to carry more than your car can cope with - even if the trailer is empty The argument seems to be you might be on your way to put a heavy car onto your heavy-duty trailer, which would exceed the cars limits. Crazy but very possibly true. I had a blacksmith made car transporter (a caravan chassis - stripped and ramps / load bed fitted). Worked well for towing stripped shells but center-of-gravity was high, with hindsight would not use a single axle for a car transporter as they're just too unstable (not necessarily dangerous - but don't have self-stabilising of a twin axle rig) Check condition of tyres and hubs / brakes if buying used, I fitted a pair of new commercial ( 8 ply ?) tyres and they weren't cheap
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Well I have a 20 year old Brian james trailer, works great has shifted 5 tons before without any hassle, never had a load plate and doesn’t have auto reverse hubs, i like it this way it's tough as hell and contains nothing you cant fix yourself...
I used to have a new tilt bed Brian James Clubman when i was getting into track support and looking posh helped and whilst ok and very light it wasn’t a patch on the strength and quality of the 20 year old one..
Got stopped once and asked where the load plate was, never had one sez I, got to have one they say, I said i'd contact Brian James and get one and I went on my way, got busy with the number/letter punches that night and made one, that keeps it nice and legal, never had a problem since..
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Dec 13, 2011 13:35:48 GMT
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Also make sure the trailer isn't plated to carry more than the tow car can tow, even if you never get to that weight I know a few people have been done at VOSA checkpoints for it, crazy but true ! My understanding (don't believe everything you read on 'tinternet - including this) is that you can be done for exceeding the towing weight of your car if the trailer is plated to carry more than your car can cope with - even if the trailer is empty The argument seems to be you might be on your way to put a heavy car onto your heavy-duty trailer, which would exceed the cars limits. Crazy but very possibly true. had a blacksmith made car transporter (a caravan chassis - stripped and ramps / load bed fitted). Worked well for towing stripped shells but center-of-gravity was high, with hindsight would not use a single axle for a car transporter as they're just too unstable (not necessarily dangerous - but don't have self-stabilising of a twin axle rig) Check condition of tyres and hubs / brakes if buying used, I fitted a pair of new commercial ( 8 ply ?) tyres and they weren't cheap I I know! rediculas aint it!! I was at the same VOSA stop as 2 guys I know who had thier trailers impounded till they got a 4X4 to come collect them, I towed the car off of one of them into the frag yard (50 yards away!) cos they wernt even alowd to to continue to the yard with the trailer on thier van To me it's like doing me for speeding cos my vehical "is capable of exceeding the speed limit" even though I wasn't actually caught speeding, it's a mindfield and TBH even VOSA officials and the police don't fully understand it all
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Last Edit: Dec 13, 2011 13:37:09 GMT by bortaf
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Dec 13, 2011 16:25:25 GMT
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There aren't many cars around today excluding 4x4s that will legally tow a large twin axle car trailer. As others have said its the maximum plated weight of the trailer that counts legally not its actual weight.
If you get a trailer and I can see why you want one be carefull to make sure your vehicle is legally allowed to tow it.
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Dec 13, 2011 17:00:14 GMT
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one advantage with a trailer thats old tatty, and ugly is that no one will want to steal it. We had a boat trailer nicked a few years ago. boat trailer had wheelclamp and a hitchlock. my trailer parked next to it. no security at all. even criminals wont tow it! My trailer is insured as part of my car policy. i'd say its worth paying few quid extra on policy to have it covered. i've seen a trailer come off and it makes a hell of a mess!
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Dec 13, 2011 18:38:13 GMT
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one advantage with a trailer thats old tatty, and ugly is that no one will want to steal it. We had a boat trailer nicked a few years ago. boat trailer had wheelclamp and a hitchlock. my trailer parked next to it. no security at all. even criminals wont tow it! My trailer is insured as part of my car policy. i'd say its worth paying few quid extra on policy to have it covered. i've seen a trailer come off and it makes a hell of a mess! yes so have I was walking down the high street when a badly loaded trailer came off its hitch wiped out the side of a passing car then carreeded across the pavement in front of me. I can honestly say that I owe my life to a tube of smarties ;D The door of the passing cars outer skin was ripped off completly and lay a hundred yards down the road. Accident couldn't have been at more than 20mph and thankfully no one was hurt! Now
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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Dec 13, 2011 21:22:57 GMT
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Also make sure the trailer isn't plated to carry more than the tow car can tow, even if you never get to that weight I know a few people have been done at VOSA checkpoints for it, crazy but true ! That's worrying. The hire place I use seemed pretty clued up on all the regs - checked my licence, ran through the legalities, etc., but they never mentioned the trailer's max. weight as an issue! Quite a ridiculous rule. I would be looking at a 4x4 for towing duties so that rule shouldn't be a problem.
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