d34n0
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Nov 10, 2011 12:48:13 GMT
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Hi all, I know many engine swap posts have been placed but cant seem to find any using small CC engines. I currently have a 83' Chevette. The engine is starting to use oil and generally get old & as I cant seem to get hold of a replacement engine thats any good local to me I thought I might try go down this route. It will give me a little more power & reliability (not that ive had any problems thus far with it) What I would like to know is what small engine can I get hold of cheap, 1.4 max (tax reasons ) and either convert to RWD or use straight of the bat. I would preferably use Vauxhall. I was thinking Nova, Corsa old or newer models, Astra or ...... possibly Ford. The 1.4 zetec looks a good option. But if I use one of these choices can they used as RWD? if so what gearboxes, clutches etc would I have to mate them with? Any help on this matter would be greatly appriciated. Rgds Dean.
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rysz
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Nov 10, 2011 12:50:25 GMT
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Mazda rotary? Suzuki Swift GTi engine on a Vitara g/box? With smaller RWD engines, you need to weigh up the difficulty in sourcing / fitting one against the extra £100 / year tax that you would have to pay on a larger, more commonly fitted engine...
Rysz.
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Onne
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Nov 10, 2011 12:57:06 GMT
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Bedford Rascal?
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1990 Mercedes W126 300SE 1997 Mercedes W140 S320L
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Nov 10, 2011 13:04:36 GMT
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Why do you want a small engine, if yu on classic insurance shouldn't make much difference there!!!!
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Nov 10, 2011 13:12:17 GMT
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Beat me to it! ...Errrm, Suzuki Super Carry?
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I've got Rovers.
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Nov 10, 2011 13:13:50 GMT
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Toyota? 2/3/4K's are pretty easy to come by with rwd boxes still attached. I'm sure Vauxhalls can't be that hard to find though can they? Or why not get a gasket set & freshen up your current engine?
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Nov 10, 2011 13:29:01 GMT
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It's possible to fit a CGA3DE Micra engine RWD I think. They're a nice little 1.4 DOHC 16V. Like a mini SR20.
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1962 Datsun Bluebird Estate - 1971 Datsun 510 SSS - 1976 Datsun 710 SSS - 1981 Dodge van - 1985 Nissan Cherry Europe GTi - 1988 Nissan Prairie - 1990 Hyundai Pony Pickup - 1992 Mazda MX5
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col
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Nov 10, 2011 13:35:09 GMT
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there's a fair few shafty bike engines that could be fun, if you wanted something outlandish. zzr1400 fits the bill and would go like stink.
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Nov 10, 2011 13:52:25 GMT
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sure there will be a way of fitting a 1.4 corsa 16v lump. pretty sure the must fit on to a vauxhall box somewhere. i assume the 1.5td isuzu lump is still within tac bracket. But for sake of few quid might as well go bigger and easier.
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Nov 10, 2011 14:45:42 GMT
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In very basic, simplified terms to avoid cutches and all the other complications, pretty much all the common vauxhall lumps of the last 20 years will bolt to either a manta 1800 rwd gearbox or a carlton box, or more recently the omega gearbox. If you can stretch to it on the insurance then the corsa gsi (C16XE) engine is a cracking little thing, and as above will bolt straight to various vauxhall rwd boxes (as will the 1.4 8v and 16v lumps)
On the other hand, we are about to convert a chevette to 2.0 16v turbo power, and it has a PERFECT 30,000 mile standard engine in it, I can ask the owner if he'll sell it? It really is like new!
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Nov 10, 2011 14:49:13 GMT
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What I would like to know is what small engine can I get hold of cheap, 1.4 max (tax reasons ) and either convert to RWD or use straight of the bat. I would preferably use Vauxhall. I was thinking Nova, Corsa old or newer models, Astra or ...... possibly Ford. The 1.4 zetec looks a good option. But if I use one of these choices can they used as RWD? if so what gearboxes, clutches etc would I have to mate them with? Any help on this matter would be greatly appriciated. Rgds Dean. Based on the engine & box combos used in the Focus, I strongly suspect the 1.4/1.6 Zetec-S engines would mate to a Ford type-9 with a pinto bellhousing, normal Zetec going RWD onto type 9 boxes is well documented and the steps should be similar. As for the Vauxhall - I think you'll find the 1.4 is the same basic block as the 1.6 'small block' engine, in which case, all the bits are available to use a Ford type-9 5 speed box... here's the link: sbdev.co.uk/Gearbox/Bellhouses/Bellhouses.htm
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Nov 10, 2011 14:54:30 GMT
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Forgot to add, not sure whether you want to go all multi-point injected etc... but we carb converted a 1.4 8v Corsa engine using the original ECU, 'black cap' distributor and wiring for the sparks (wiring is not that complex when you work it out) and the carb and manifold from a small block 1.6 mk3 Cavalier. The earlier "red cap" distributors from earlier carb small block Astra & Cavalier engines will also fit the injected engines as well, although they stick out miles on the gearbox side, so probably not good for a RWD conversion.
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Last Edit: Nov 10, 2011 14:55:12 GMT by wilko
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kerrly
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Nov 10, 2011 16:41:57 GMT
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The swift GTI option with a SJ gearbox is quite good fun, circa 100hp an its of an age where the injection system is reliable without being overly complex.
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Nov 10, 2011 17:06:33 GMT
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The 1.25/1.4/1.7 Ford Zetec-S is NOT compatible with the old 4-pot Ford bellhousing pattern, so it won't just bolt up to a Type 9.
The Rover K series (reliable out of the box in 1.4 form) produces 105bhp with stock management, and can be fitted to a Type 9 with a bellhousing. The bellhousings are available from various sources (Frontline Spridet for k series midget conversions, Caterham for 7s, and a couple of others) but are not cheap (~£450). They'll try to sell you a custom clutch too, but I'm fairly sure that the Rover pressure plate and a Ford driven plat are all you need - make sure the diameters match though.
The small Vauxhall engines will bolt straight up to a 4-pot Carlton or V6 Omega box (don't know about 4-pot Omega, but definitely not straight-6 carlton). The 1.4 16V from the Corsa makes 95bhp out of the box, and there are no horror stories about it. A little while ago I was considering doing an engine swap into a Viva and the Corsa engine was my first choice.
The Nissan CG13DE is a very nice little engine - compact, light, and surprisingly powerful for a 1.3 (75bhp stock, 100 bhp with injectors, exhaust manifold, bigger air filter and remap). Not sure about RWD conversions though - you'd probably need to fabricate an adaptor plate at the very least.
Keeping the stock injection on any of these engines is probably worthwhile - it will just work, and won't need tuning. It should be extremely reliable too. The wiring is the difficult bit, but if you can get decent wiring diagrams that's not an insurmountable problem.
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d34n0
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Nov 10, 2011 19:32:44 GMT
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I want to keep small engine as it's a daily drive, to keep running costs etc to bare minimum as iv now got a little girl to afford as well! I also want to keep the low & slow aspect. I'm currently refurbing my mini lights then slam to the floor. More power & that won't really mix. Retropower- I'f you can get a price for the engine & box would be appriciated. Iv found quite a few engines for sale but either far away or I can't get there in time for sale. I shal take this all into considderation & do some more research. Cheers
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Nov 10, 2011 20:44:40 GMT
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i think the corsa 1.4 engine is your best option then to fit the bill you are after or you could look at the c16xe or x16xe, slap a set of bike carbs on it with custom fanimolds and you should see a good 160bhp or there abouts if set up properly
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Nobody dies a virgin, because lifes curse word us ALL
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Nov 10, 2011 20:54:45 GMT
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tbh, with all the hassle you'll encounter with fitting a new gearbox (you'll need a new propshaft making up too!) buying a new engine, buying lots of extra bits you didn't think of, making it work, buying EVEN MORE stuff, it will soon add up to a LARGE amount.
I'd echo an earlier post, and just ask... why not rebuild the engine? Will be by FAR the cheaper option, and then there's nothing stopping you upgrading it to give a bit more poke... turbo sir?
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You're like a crazy backyard genius!
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d34n0
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Nov 10, 2011 21:45:30 GMT
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I knew that I'd have get prop etc but was hoping that with keeping it small, I wouldn't have worry about new axel & brakes. I'll keep doing research on rebuild stuff for engine etc vs new implant. See what the future holds
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burns
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Suzuki Cappuccino? They don't get much smaller, plus it has a turbo! There must be rotten Cappuccinos coming up for sale whole that could be broken?
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Nov 11, 2011 20:22:26 GMT
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Suzuki Cappuccino? They don't get much smaller, plus it has a turbo! There must be rotten Cappuccinos coming up for sale whole that could be broken? The engines areworth good money though.. I'd go K series on a type 9 ford box. 1400 from a Metro gta for next to nothing, very torquey & revvy and tough, as well as very light. If you wanna go smaller there were 1100cc 8v jobbies ans you can fit the 16v twin cam head to make a real screamer.
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Koos
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