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Ok. I am most certainly going to be purchasing one of the following in the near future, but would like opinions on which to go for.
All isuzu engined models:
Corsa 1.5TD
Corsa 1.7D
Astra / Cavalier 1.7TD
Ideally i'd go for the 1.5TD corsa, but i do intend on doing a lot of motorway road trips etc, how do they hold up on long distances? I'm guessing the 1.5TD is the most economical, and also is in the lower tax bracket?
Might end up running Veg as well, so can they all run it ok? (think they all run Bosch pumps).
Basically, the corsa seems to be the most economical, cheapest to tax and the cheapest to insure. Does anyone know anything adverse to this?
Many thanks in advance!!!
Joe
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stealthstylz
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The 1.5 and 1.7 TD engines are both fantastic. Which one you get depends on how long you plan to own it. If its just short term get the cheapest decent one you can find with tax of any model - Corsa's seem to be more expensive than Astras to buy.
However long term the Corsa should work out a lot cheaper to run, even if they cost a bit more to buy.
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Yeh i do think i'm going to go for the Corsa. I have actually found them to be cheaper to buy then the Astra so far - i can get a realtively low milage example for under £400 which seems good value.
I know the 1.7TD's are fantastic robust mile munchers - just wanted to make sure that the 1.5TD is the same, as i intend to take this car all over the country next year.
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Oct 31, 2011 11:02:36 GMT
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As said both engines are great. They are basically the same other than bore size and a few other bits. I would have said the astras were cheaper but if you can get a corsa at that price then jump on it. I have owned a nova 1.5td, a corsa 1.7td (converted from a 1.7d), an astra 1.7td est, a cavalier 1.7td a corsa combo 1.7d (which is horribly slow compared to the others) and i have been happy with them all. The nova was my favourite then the corsa. The corsa should be quite nippy too  |
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Oct 31, 2011 11:10:09 GMT
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Just in case you might be interested, my Mk3 Cav TD (Isuzu) will be coming up for sale today or tomorrow.
I can honestly say, hand on heart, it's one of the best cars I've ever owned. Ever. Brilliant MPG, great load space, very VERY comfy, 100% reliable, amazing mile mucher and just all round brilliant!
Mine has been all over the country, sometimes covering over 600 miles in a day and I've enjoyed every mile in comfort knowing it's costing me not a lot to run at all.
If you're going to be doing a lot of miles, I would recommend the Cav over the smaller cars purely because it was designed from the outset to be a mile muncher and it does this so damn well. The only reason I am selling it is because (as only a true Retro Rider will know) I've bought something less practical, less economical and less all round brilliant just because I am stupid (and because I have some cool plans for it) No other reason. If I hadn't just bought the new car then I simply woulnd't even consider selling the Cav because it's such a fantastic motor.
No other car I've owned have I felt so sure about driving literally anwhere in regardless of distance. My Delica, yes, if it wasn't so thirsty....but that's why the Cav is so great....because it's so great at being all things.
I'm giving it a clean today/tomorrow so will PM you some pics if you are interested?
[edit] apologies for the blatant punt, but it seemed like good timing? [/edit]
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Oct 31, 2011 11:32:03 GMT
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Yes if you could send me some brief details over PM that would be really appreciated! Generally not bothered about appearances, as long as the mechanical's are strong and looked after.
I'm swaying more towards the Corsa option at the moment, but if i do go the 1.7TD route, the cav is the model which has me most interested.
Thanks for the info so far also!
Joe
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Oct 31, 2011 11:37:44 GMT
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No worries, I'll send you a PM in a bit with all the details. Photos won't be until tomorrow now (forgot to charge my camera battery!) but the details will give you a pretty good idea anyway.
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RobinJI
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Oct 31, 2011 23:11:22 GMT
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I have no proof to back this up, but theoretically at least the cav shouldn't really be any worse on fuel on the motorway than the corsa. The aerodynamics are better in the cav, which goes a long way with motorway miles. Being a longer, slopier car it should be quite a bit slipperier.
(Edit, obviously the td corsa should be better around town due to the lower weight, but I'd be surprised if there's anything in it on the motorway.)
On a less, theoretical note, a good friend of mine has a 1.7d corsa van (not a combo, just the hatchback with metal windows) and it's not actually that good on fuel, just because you have to use your right foot quite a lot. In fact it's actually worse than my Passat, which is a similar age, with a similar sized and technologically advanced engine (1.6td, fully mechanical bosch pump vs 1.7d fully mechanical bosch pump) despite mine weighing 300kg more, his lack of a turbo and worse aerodynamics means he's flooring it to keep up with traffic/sit at motorway speeds, where I'm still just cruising along even with the extra size/weight.
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Last Edit: Oct 31, 2011 23:12:29 GMT by RobinJI
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Oct 31, 2011 23:28:01 GMT
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...a good friend of mine has a 1.7d corsa van.....and it's not actually that good on fuel, just because you have to use your right foot quite a lot. I would put money on that not being an Isuzu lump. Vauxhall, for some strange reason, decided to sell their own 1.7 diesel (turbo and non-turbo) alongside the 1.5 and 1.7 Isuzu TD engines! Strange but true. The VX lumps (in turbo form) were low-blow and a lot more agricultural than the Isuzu engine. Noisier, less powerful, less economical, less reliable. The non-turbo versions were pretty much worse again in every respect! Most people looking at buying Vauxhall diesels of that era will pretty much choose the Isuzu over the VX engine all day, every day. The prices tend to reflect this too.... |
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RobinJI
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Well he said it was the Isuzu lump, it's the 1.7 non-turbo, in this beast:  They seem pretty similar visually to the un-trained eye, and when it comes to Vaxhalls, my eye's definitely untrained, so I couldn't say one way or the other my self. Although the point still stands that non-turbo diesels are often worse on fuel, due to needing a lead foot to keep up with traffic, and that aero can counteract weight differences once you're out of town. |
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I didn't know they did a non-TD version of the Isuzu lump in Vauxhalls, but more than happy to be proven wrong. If you ever get a look at it, the Vauxall engine looks like this with the wavy cam cover:  The Isuzu engine has a much flatter, wider cam cover with a large dip where the oil filler cap sits. Obviosuly if there is a non-turbo version then the turbo sticker won't be there!  Let me know if it is an Isuzu lump fpr sure, I'm interested to know if Vauxhall offered four variants of 1.7 diesel at the same time! |
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RobinJI
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Ah, well it definitely looks more like the 2nd engine there, I'm pretty sure the rocker covers flat sided. I remember it's definitely cross-flow, which the GM lump appears not to be.
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stealthstylz
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Yup the non-turbo Izuzu engine was indeed in the lineup. Says Diesel instead of Turbo on the rocker cover. Apparantley when you're tuning the TD's it's best to fit the non-turbo inlet manifold as it's just runners and a plenum, rather than the TD's stupidly long twin plenum jobby.
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Stealth you are correct about the manifold and the non Td isuzus. They did both 1.5 and 1.7 n/a's in the vaux. The Corsa never had the gm engine to my knowledge. The gm engine is absolute w@nk so avoid it.
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Did all Cavalier TD's use the Isuzu engine? I've not seen a GM TD motor in one to date (searching the internet for cheap ones!). I've seen a n/a D cav, but i would definately be after a TD model.
It would just help to know, as a lot of owners might not know if they have the isuzu engine or not!!
Cheers again
Joe
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Afaik no cavs had the gm lump they are more commonly in the Astra
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I had a nova td. It was such a great little car and miss it. Nippy, easy to cruise about in and good on juice. Currently looking for a 1.5td for a conversion into another of my cars. Thats how much I'm fond of them. Plus the tax for the 1.5 is far less than the 1.7 .....Cough anyone know for a corsa/nova td cheap lol |
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I had a nova td. It was such a great little car and miss it. Nippy, easy to cruise about in and good on juice. Currently looking for a 1.5td for a conversion into another of my cars. Thats how much I'm fond of them. Plus the tax for the 1.5 is far less than the 1.7 .....Cough anyone know for a corsa/nova td cheap lol wanna buy a complete 1.5td engine? £100 havant hampshire  |
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Last Edit: Nov 5, 2011 12:21:04 GMT by Al Ramone
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