ChasR
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Oct 20, 2011 19:09:35 GMT
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To put it simply, as the title says.
I'm trying to figure out what is vibrating my Stag to pieces and makes motorway journeys over 50mph near impossible (from the rear of the car vibrating, to then the doors and then the entire car + many rattles...).
I have had the wheels checked, but on the balancing machine they are all pretty much fine.
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Oct 20, 2011 19:11:56 GMT
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No, a balancer wont show up flat spots. Getting someone to spin the wheel for you while you hold a hand over the tread area will though
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Oct 20, 2011 19:20:53 GMT
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Swap wheels front to back, if the vibration doesnt change then its something else. My moneys on propshaft.
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Oct 20, 2011 20:02:27 GMT
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Swap wheels front to back, if the vibration doesnt change then its something else. My moneys on propshaft. was also about to suggest prop
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Oct 20, 2011 20:03:50 GMT
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Thats a good point, I bought a cortina once that felt like it had square tyres, I changed the wheels for a different set, no different. Went for the prop next, it was bent!
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Oct 20, 2011 20:25:14 GMT
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Chas, the guy at Bespoke wheels on the Heathcote estate spotted my flat spots while he was trying to balance my 740 wheels....maybe go down to see him?
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ChasR
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Oct 20, 2011 20:38:09 GMT
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I do use him and someone else . On the machine nothing seemed untoward on the wheel at all. I may just jack up each corner and give them another spin mind you. I also thought prop, except it looks brand new complete with weights on it. I have turned it 180 degrees at the axle end tonight (as my MOT man suggested). Either my dad and I are going nuts, or the vibrations have calmed down a touch. Bar the prop being balanced incorrectly, it does have a toothed disc on the front of it (mounted between the gearbox output shaft flange and propshaft flange. That was put there so as to make an electric speedo drive. I cannot see it being that though considering people use much thicker ally spacers on their props.
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Last Edit: Oct 20, 2011 20:39:36 GMT by ChasR
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Oct 20, 2011 21:27:53 GMT
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Surley you mean 90 degrees? Was your phasing out? because if you turn it 180 it wont have changed anything.
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ChasR
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Oct 20, 2011 21:39:36 GMT
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Sorry, 90. It is still there though are the vibrations, just a little less.
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Oct 20, 2011 21:43:01 GMT
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Is there any play in the UJ? If it has been running out of phase they can knock them out in no time.
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Has it got IRS ? If so worn drive shaft CV / UJ joints could be another cause. Might not even be worn - just seized.
Paul H
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ChasR
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Oct 21, 2011 12:24:09 GMT
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Just spoken to my dad (he turned the prop on the rear). He said it was 180 degrees and that the bolt pattern will not allow you to turn the prop in 90 degree intervals.
Paul, it does have IRS with UJs on the rear.
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Oct 21, 2011 14:20:48 GMT
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I had a Mk3 cortina in last year that i chased a vibration on, i had the wheels balence 4 or 5 times and after 3 hours of after hours work in the tyre shop it was a combination of squared off tyres (from being parked for months on one spot) and buckled wheels, when i put the 2 worst tyres on the 2 worst wheels the car was undrivable over 40 MPH. The machine would show a perfect balence BUT the balencing machine only span up to 50 odd MPH any speed over that and thing shook like Elvis having a fit, this was on new wheels and tyres that although they had done under 200 miles had sat for 3 years and only driven to shows a couple of times a year. All the above was compounded cos the owner had fully polybushed the entier car, on rubber bushes it would have been way less noticable. The way i found the problem was to get a pointer on the tyre and rim and spin it on the balencer with the cover off and watch the run out, eventually after hours of moving tyres round the rims i got the weights down from 135G to 25gramms and the car was way more drivable. Not sure what type U/J are on the rear but if they are anything like the mini ? when you undo the Uclamps the rubber cross may well just fall appart like prop doughnuts do on a lot of fords? Age can harden them in a certain postion and although they look OK when free of the clamping forces they look bent ? Output shaft bearings in the box is another vibration point but usually they can be felt through the gearstick? keep at it i'm intreaged as to what it is now
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Oct 21, 2011 19:36:05 GMT
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I'm convinced its going to be a uj somewhere. What i was saying earlier about the prop, i didnt realise you were talking about removing the prop flange from the axle, i thought you meant seperating the prop to change the actual phasing of the uj's. Moving the axle flange 180 or even 90 is not going to change anything.
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ChasR
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Nov 19, 2011 15:26:12 GMT
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After doing a little more detective work it seems it is a custom built prop from this chap: www.davemacprops.com/DMPHOME.htmlWho seems to have a bit of a reputation. The joints on the prop (now I have had the chance to look at it) are smooth and free in movement. I initially thought (and hoped) that it may be the toothed wheel but after taking the front of the prop off I am not so sure: As you can see it's spigoted to fit into the gearbox side. My question is could the disc be causing the vibrations. I have tried to remove it from the prop but it seems to be pushed on. Could that disc cause the vibration or is it more of a red herring?
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