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Oct 16, 2011 15:26:11 GMT
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I suffer from DA and power tool hands. I think I suffer worse than many and worse than I used to.
Its slowing progress on my projects.
Its worrying me that its doing longer term damage to my hands.
What do you guys do about this? I have mechanics padded gloves but they make little difference.
Any recommends?
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Oct 16, 2011 15:31:31 GMT
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What sort of gloves do you wear? (if any). Personally I like Ringers Impact gloves, as the gel palm help with the vibration (i use a diamond core sds drill when putting pipes through walls, which vibrate alot)
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Oct 16, 2011 15:32:40 GMT
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to be honest all I can possibly think of is do work in short bursts and avoid prolonged power tool use. use the thickest gloves you can comfortabley use but apart from that I don't know what else there is that could help. sorry.
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tontoe
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Oct 16, 2011 15:33:01 GMT
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may also be carpul tunnel it causes pins and needles etc and the only way to fix it is an op. gloves don't really help, had mine done over a year ago just back to normal now
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Oct 16, 2011 15:50:42 GMT
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I thought it might be a problem with your ebay clicking finger.
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Oct 16, 2011 15:53:27 GMT
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Mrs MiniDan uses a lot of heavy duty garden powertools, she says when your watching the TV or relaxing, squeeze a tennis ball in your hands with your arms lowered. Hope it helps
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Oct 16, 2011 15:57:11 GMT
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I've got some Silverline branded mechanics gloves. They have some padding but know not what.
I'm up for trying a better type of glove.
Sensations go away again in 30-45 mins.
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Oct 16, 2011 16:15:02 GMT
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white finger is the bugbear of the aircraft industry, so now tools are graded according to how much vibration they generate and hence how many hours per day you are allowed to use them a lot of "posh" air tools are expensive because of the amount of vibration damping built into them bad news is, once you have it, you are stuck with it, symptoms can be aided by keeping your hands warm to ensure ciculation is not restricted here is the official line on HAV www.hse.gov.uk/vibration/hav/campaign/fabrication/warmclothing.htmttfn glenn ps don't forget the ear protection as vibration also creates noise and if you want to ask me how i know, you will have to speak loudly
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Last Edit: Oct 16, 2011 16:18:12 GMT by 93fxdl
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Oct 16, 2011 16:35:38 GMT
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Another thing to bear in mind is how old are your tools? I remember when I used a very old B&D sander it vibrated like mental now again (before it died) until I bought my Sealey DA. It was a cheapo sander mind you that we had used now and again for years.
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Oct 16, 2011 16:43:24 GMT
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some of my tools are very old and many were quite cheap. Fair comment on getting what you pay for.
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Oct 16, 2011 17:13:15 GMT
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you can get isolating side handles for grinders. bosch do them.
mega thick gloves help, i find the cheap red welding gauntlets isolate more vibration than any of the fancy gel padded gloves, and also help keep your hands warm too. this one is important for me as i have a mild version of raynauds syndrome, which causes dicolouration and pain in the extremities due to poor circulation.
but as minidan says, its as much about making your body able to cope with it/resilient to it/speeding its recovery through exercises such as the tennis ball thing, which improves circulation, and grip strength too, which is also handy for hand tools and stiff bolts in tight spaces so you gain double.
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Oct 16, 2011 18:39:37 GMT
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There are anti-vibration gloves with gel strips & pads, but they seem to work with different frequencies and hard to tell what glove will be good for what. They're also massive... don't use mine. Since going to quality grinders, but still only around the £40 mark, it doesn't bother me any more, they're quite a lot smoother than the cheapies. Used to get a fair bit of bother, as in a couple of days of dead/numb arm.
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Oct 16, 2011 18:44:51 GMT
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I'm reading all this and i don't like it. I'm 32 and been a spanner monkey/car restorer since school, just lately the aches, pains, rashes, numb fingers ect have me thinking its time to knock it on the head and get a humans job.
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Oct 16, 2011 19:16:23 GMT
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All commercial power tools have stated figure for maximum use in hours, as well as Db and vibration figures. Having used chainsaws, 2-stroke hedge trimmers, commercial 4-stroke lawnmowers and diesel-powered jet washers, believe me, I know about the risks of what vibration can do with prolonged use. Ignore them at your peril. If I were you Alastatir, if you think that you're starting to get Carpal tunnel syndrome, see your GP asap. The Last thing you want to suffer in later life is Rheumatoid Arthritis...
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Oct 16, 2011 19:34:39 GMT
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Be very careful about white finger (HAVS) in extreme cases you can lose the end of your fingers due to lack of circulation, once you have it there is no going back, no cure. The cause is accumulative use of vibration producing tools. The level you have is just the start. Go to your doctor and explain your job and the symptoms,and he should be able to gauge the stage your at, and recommend what you need to do. This condition is reportable to the HSE under RIDDOR (Reportable injuries, Diseases and Dangerous Occurances Regulations) If you work for an employer it is also a claimable condition once diagnosed, with an industrial disease benefit possibility. The first thing to do though is to stop using vibrating tools, it will only get worse, you've reached your personnel limit of what your hands will take. Sure sign of this problem is cold, white ended painful fingers, it maybe in the form of a short attacks in cold weather or more longer term problems.
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what's that awful noise
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Oct 16, 2011 19:41:53 GMT
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As a recuperation thing, I found that when I was asleep I would sleep on my hands or with them under my pillow etc. With my wrists bent my hands and knuckles were always hell the next day.
I went to the sports shop and bought a pair of pretty stiff wrist supports, slept with them on. Because my hands were kept straight overnight they were considerably better in the morning.
That also tends to help if you suffer from carpal tunnel too.
--Phil
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Oct 16, 2011 19:54:32 GMT
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sounds like the same problem i have been a panelbeater for 25 years . about 10 years ago started getting numbness and pins and neddels in my right hand . went to my docs explained the problem he said it was the start of carpol tunnel sydrome . got a prescription for a wrist support with metal strips fitted to keep your wrist staight when you sleep . worked a treat when ever i can feel it starting put the support on goes it goes away . no operations yet touch wood!
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Oct 16, 2011 20:36:43 GMT
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There seems to be a fair few of us on here with spazz-hands. I try to keep them warm, which helps a lot. I have always had bad circulation, giving me cold hands and feet, which doesnt help matters. I think a visit to the docs is my next bet. After a days work, my hands ache badly in the evening and at night curl up into loose fists which I struggle to open out. I also loose all power, unable to grip anything tightly.
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