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Aug 10, 2006 19:07:49 GMT
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banded steel rims, how do i make them up?
i'm proficiant at cutting & welding, but would like to have some 6"-7" wide * 12" diameter steel rims on my mini
any help or advice would be great, cheers
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Mini 998cc grp bonnet & boot, lightend shell, 6-point cage, soon to have a turbo on the 998 engine (t2 frm a r5gt) rs turbo intercooler, hoping to get 120ish bhp?
father is building a Mini Van 1330, 45 weber, 100bhp@wheels
'RIP' 1.8 Metro GTi, 15.23 1/4mile
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Aug 10, 2006 19:13:39 GMT
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They are illegal, AFAIK
Re rimming can be done though
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Odin
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Aug 10, 2006 19:25:08 GMT
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure banded wheels are illegal. I seem to remember someone saying if you could prove they were built before a certain date that was ok....but I suspect that is complete pap and doesn't help you out anyways.  |
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Nick
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Aug 10, 2006 19:30:25 GMT
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whether they are illegal or not is beside the point.
i don't know how i'd go about making some, but i'd be very very careful in making sure they were true.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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slater
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Aug 10, 2006 20:26:09 GMT
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If it isnt obvious to you then i wouldent attempt it. Not somethign you want to get wrong or attempt if you don't know 100% what your doing!
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Aug 10, 2006 21:52:03 GMT
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^^^^ what Slater said x2 really. Not to be a pooper or anything.
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Aug 10, 2006 22:04:56 GMT
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You can get 6x12's off the peg anyway can't you....?
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Mr K
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Aug 10, 2006 22:21:13 GMT
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You can get 6x12's off the peg anyway can't you....? yup, i beleive so, definatly in alloys, and probably in wellers |
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Aug 10, 2006 23:27:52 GMT
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its not 6*12 alloys i want, i've always wanted my standard 12" steels in matt black but at least 6"-7" width, the proficancy of my welding is'nt any trouble, thats safe!
how i'd go about making sure the wheel is true is my problem,
i've worked out how tp do it, its keeping it true hmmmmmmm! any ideas you tech'y hotrodders/retro car players
"blownimp" re-rimming, this sounds interesting, could you let me know more plz!!!
i know this might not be to everyones taste, but "the legalites side" i'm really not bothered about!!! as long as i know my wheels are st8 & true, well put together, thats all i'm bothered with, at the end of the day if you know your welds are good & strong the wheel is'nt going to fall apart
i know in the l8 60's early 70's, weller used to make a 7"*10" but these are as rare as!!!
i really want nice wide 12" steels (but not wellers) & my car as low as practicable!!!
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Mini 998cc grp bonnet & boot, lightend shell, 6-point cage, soon to have a turbo on the 998 engine (t2 frm a r5gt) rs turbo intercooler, hoping to get 120ish bhp?
father is building a Mini Van 1330, 45 weber, 100bhp@wheels
'RIP' 1.8 Metro GTi, 15.23 1/4mile
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Aug 10, 2006 23:41:56 GMT
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its not 6*12 alloys i want, i've always wanted my standard 12" steels in matt black but at least 6"-7" width, the proficancy of my welding is'nt any trouble, thats safe! how i'd go about making sure the wheel is true is my problem, i've worked out how tp do it, its keeping it true hmmmmmmm! any ideas you tech'y hotrodders/retro car players "blownimp" re-rimming, this sounds interesting, could you let me know more plz!!! i know this might not be to everyones taste, but "the legalites side" i'm really not bothered about!!! as long as i know my wheels are st8 & true, well put together, thats all i'm bothered with, at the end of the day if you know your welds are good & strong the wheel is'nt going to fall apart i know in the l8 60's early 70's, weller used to make a 7"*10" but these are as rare as!!! i really want nice wide 12" steels (but not wellers) & my car as low as practicable!!! It's all well and good if you have faith in your welding...But what will you do if a weld fails at 60mph on a bend, sending you through a minibus full of orphans carrying puppies and kittens? You can bet your 'arris your insurance company will tell you to go forth and multiply...So all settlements will have to come out of your pocket. *n |
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Bioshock
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Don't do it.  I'm pretty sure that companys that make "split rims" can make them in just about any width you want. (Think this has been covered in detail before on a previous thread,if you trawl through ;D) |
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sending you through a minibus full of orphans carrying puppies and kittens? ;D ;D ;D  |
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 once again rocking with 1117cc and 4 gears! |
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its gotta be said tho, banded steelies fcuking rule!! ;D
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da jarmans do them and they tested to tuv standard (cant be on car unless approved) wayyyy stricter than uk mot so why not?
wouldnt home make some tho unless you were pro welder
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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Black motorsport Wellers look like standard-ish wheels
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The trouble would be finding a 'band' to weld in...I believe that the Hot Rod oval racers still do it, but onlt 13", suggesting they have a source of 13" bands. I've heard stories of oil drums being used before, I wonder what diameter they are?  I trhink your best bet is to find some 7" wide wellers or similar and switch the centres with yours, either way I assume you'll be making up a jig to keep them true? |
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street
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Aug 11, 2006 10:12:31 GMT
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What about the old hotrod trick of cutting out the centre, flipping it over and welding it back in?
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Aug 11, 2006 10:22:51 GMT
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Still got the problem of welding it in strong and true enough though ..
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mercmad
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Aug 11, 2006 13:14:11 GMT
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whether they are illegal or not is beside the point. i don't know how i'd go about making some, but i'd be very very careful in making sure they were true. i actually have an Ancient hot rod mag here( 1963-4) which descibes how to do it ,Which I did lots of times years ago. You need a rotating jig or an old lathe ( an old stub axle with a hub on it will do) here it is, step by step; the outer rim must be turned off the wheel,(the first part of the well inside of the bead where the tire seals ),on a lathe.
(ii) Next you must get a cylinder rolled up . make this the width you want to widen the rim.An engineering firm which makes tanks or boilers can make them up in minutes for you.
The material thickness must be the same as the rim,no thinner or thicker.
The inside diameter of this tube must be exactly the same as the inside of your rim where parted it off.
(iii) Bolt the rim to your jig,then tack with a TIG or MIG welder in 4 spots opposite each other,the tube to the wheel.
Check the "runout for 100% true running.correct as per neccesary.
(iv) tack weld the outer part of thev rim in 4 different opposite spots.Check the runnout again.
(V) now start your welding by doing short welds and allowing for the weld to cool,while constantly checking runnout.
once the welds are done you have widened your rims and I think you will find them to be perfectly safe.
The reason I reccomend Tig or Mig,over a stick welder is one of convenience,ease of making cleaner welds, and penetration of weld. To enable a better penetration ,thev edges of the parted off rim can be chamfered at 45 degrees( 2/3rds through the thickness of the material) so the weld is going to be bigger,flatter and won't need to be a big bead sitting above the wheel surface.
The neatest ones I did were where i only welded on the Outside of the rim,when the tires are fitted you can't see any weld ,just a line around the rim. |
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Last Edit: Aug 11, 2006 13:22:47 GMT by mercmad
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I trhink your best bet is to find some 7" wide wellers or similar and switch the centres with yours, either way I assume you'll be making up a jig to keep them true?
