MrSpeedy
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Sept 16, 2011 9:04:42 GMT
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So, we now have this in daily service as works runabout;  Powered by the trusty little 1275 A+ engine. However it has a thirst for oil like a tramp does special brew, so replacement is inevitable. What alternatives are there that will fit without too much effort? Obvious first thought are Perkins Prima from Maestro/Montego, but these are thin on the ground these days due to many landrover conversions using them  Didn't they do a 1.6 petrol ? B series ? What about things from the later 200/400/600 range ? Any easyish bolt in swaps ? Don't really want to go down the Turbo route (Tho a T16 would be tasty in there  ) Any other thoughts, examples, knowledge??   I also know where there is one of these lying about. Kinda related through the family tree  edit for spelling fail |
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Last Edit: Sept 16, 2011 9:06:02 GMT by MrSpeedy
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rysz
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Sept 16, 2011 9:08:19 GMT
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There are Perkins lumps in the 618, 220 and 420 as well IIRC.
If it is a 5 speed box, I am fairly sure that this is of VW supply.
Just some food for thought!
Rysz.
P.S. Do the VTEC thing!
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ChasR
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A+ engine alternatives ??ChasR
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Sept 16, 2011 21:33:55 GMT
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Just succumb to the T16. You know it makes sense...ish!
Regarding the 'B Series swap, I'd rather stick with an A Series over a B in a car like that. B's are a damn heavy engine, and not necessarily all that powerful (but a good slogger I agree).
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Midas
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A+ engine alternatives ??Midas
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Sept 16, 2011 22:24:23 GMT
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There are Perkins lumps in the 618, 220 and 420 as well IIRC. If it is a 5 speed box, I am fairly sure that this is of VW supply. Just some food for thought! Rysz. P.S. Do the VTEC thing! Quite right, the box is a VW item. |
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Sept 17, 2011 17:21:42 GMT
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There are Perkins lumps in the 618, 220 and 420 as well IIRC. If it is a 5 speed box, I am fairly sure that this is of VW supply. Just some food for thought! Rysz. P.S. Do the VTEC thing! 218 and 418 Rovers used the pug xud engine 220d and 620d was the Rover/Land Rover L series engine. 825 d used the curse word VM Diesel that was used in lots of other cars. 5 speed is a honda design 4 speed came from the vw golf. IIRC L series engine had similar bolt patern as the Perkins engine so could bolt up to 5 speed box, just need to work out the electronic throttle. |
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Sept 17, 2011 20:58:59 GMT
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Ideally you would take a complete power unit from another car.
Front wheel drive would be easier as the FWD powerplant is usually a complete unit with transmission and engine all built into one unit.
If the hubs and front struts can be bolted into the chassis with the driveshafts then you've sorted it. A bit of cutting and welding here and there.
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Sept 17, 2011 21:00:01 GMT
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Oh, nice sh1p van by the way. Those where everywhere when I was growing up.
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Sept 17, 2011 21:08:11 GMT
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1.6 S Series complete drivetrain from a Maestro/Montego or mark 1 Rover 216 (SD3). Late 216 SE's, Vanden Plas and Vitesse are the S Series on EFi, but rare these days.
Nice looking van, by the way.
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Sept 18, 2011 8:21:22 GMT
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if you want bolt in with out to much effort then you've gotta either get a different engine/gearbox from another maestro or stick with what you've got.
i'm assuming as it's a work runabout your looking for reliability over power?
so personally i'd get the stock 1275 rebuilt, there must be plenty of places to buy parts for these engines? i know the maestro lump has the oil filter in a different location to the mini/metro lumps but pretty much everything else should be the same.
failing that, if you do plum for a engine conversion, then go for a good one, by that i mean a much newer petrol engine which will give reliability and economy or a good deisel swap, vauxhall/isuzu 1.5/1.7 turbo diesel with matching 5 speed gearbox?
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Sept 18, 2011 9:50:57 GMT
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K series all the way. Nice and torquey, economical, cheap as chips, and there's tons available.
A little 1400 Metro gti/a lump makes 100bhp and will cost you next to nothing.
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Koos
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MrSpeedy
East Midlands
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Sept 29, 2011 12:30:47 GMT
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Thanks for all the suggestions peeps. I do like the idea of a B16, however, it is a works run about and my 70yr old father drives it also, so economy and reliability are key. He favours a rebuilt A series again, tho if we did, i think it would be pointless unless a few 'tweaks' were added Personally I think I'm rather drawn to a 1.4 Kseries from a Rover 214. Anyone know just how different the engine bays are between the early 200 Rover and the Maestro ?? |
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Sept 29, 2011 12:42:04 GMT
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If you're going to get a K (which I think is a cool idea) get a 1.6, or a 1.8. That way, if you do decide to start tuning further down the line, you have a much better basis, and still the same size.
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Last Edit: Sept 29, 2011 12:42:25 GMT by alolympic
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If its a works vehicle how about a devilsperm engine? The Prima Turbo from the Montego or the later lump from the 200 rover would go in nice and easy.
Iirc the Maestro had one originally....
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Koos
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