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Jul 28, 2006 18:47:32 GMT
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does anyone know if a saab 900 turbo engine (and maybe the 9000??) will fit a triumph gearbox? ? i ve been told by some that it does and others that they have a differnt bellhousing pattern. so i just wanted to know for sure is it possible or a rumour?? due to the fact that saab used the dolly engine to produce their motor...! also what sort of power do the saab motors make std?? many thanks in advance si
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Jul 28, 2006 20:23:45 GMT
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i think thats pretty unlikely.
there may be an outside chance with a 9000 lump but the 900 has its engine mounted longways with the gears in the sump and the timing chain at the bulkhead end, so ignoring the fact that you'd have no sump pan, it doesn't lend itself too well to a transplant.
The triumph and saab engines do have a historical link but i don't think any parts are interchangeable at all.
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Jul 28, 2006 20:44:09 GMT
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Jul 28, 2006 20:55:44 GMT
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just been reading stuff about the later saab eco engines. somebody mentioned that they bolt to a vauxhall box...... but that is prob' rubbish too just because the later saabs (95 etc i think) were on the vectra underpinnings.... its nice to put these romours to the test.. i do remember once at a show seeing a saab 900 turbo lump in a rwd car though... and have always wondered... but i have no experience with the saab whatsoever this is why i ask.. si
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Saab didn't base their engine design on the Triumph - Triumph designed the slant 1750 for Saab..via Ricardo, IIRC! Saab then enlarged it to 2 litres later on, after a while permitted Triumph to use it (which they did, as the 1850 variant and later the Sprint). The core design of the 2000 used in the 9000 also in turbo variants shares some of the orginnal blood too I don't think the gearboxes will fit in any way shape or form but I've never looked at them in real life to see Suck it and see! ;D Apologise if this makes no sense........3 bottles of wine and a few beers! ;D
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Last Edit: Jul 29, 2006 0:02:22 GMT by Lewis
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I'm pretty sure all the saab 8/16v 2.0 motors to '93 have a triumph type pattern. If you really want to use a 900 motor you just need a 9000 oil pan.
I've seen a couple of cars using 9000 2.3 turbo engines. One conversion used a BMW transmission via a custom adapter plate. I think post 94 models will bolt straight up to GM transmissions. The V6 certainly will...(well it is a vauxhall motor...)
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Last Edit: Jul 29, 2006 2:31:43 GMT by chrissyb
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Jul 29, 2006 18:13:24 GMT
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really interesting stuff i will have to do a bit more reserch...... hold tight....... si
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Actually Triumph and Saab shared development costs with Ricardo. Triumph had already started with them when Saab came looking for a design to replace the ford V4 they were currently using and went into an agreement. Saab additional funding allowed an increase in capacity from 1500 to 1700. Part of the agreement was for Triumph to build the first x,000 units for Saab. The original 1709 engines were near identical (the cam cover was different, maybe one or two other bits). However, Saab mounted them differently. The engines are longitudal, as in RWD, but rotated 180deg. The flywheel is at the front of the car! The gearbox mounts underneath, forming the sump, and there is drop chains (originally gears) to take the drive from the engine down to the box. Ingenious Makes changing the clutch pretty easy too. After the 1709cc engine Saab reworked it into the 1850. Then they reworked it again into the 1985. By that point, I don't think ANY engine components were interchangable, and they got rid of the silly angled headbolts. However... The bolt pattern for the sump and endplates may well have remained unchanged. If anyone in the Essex area has a TR7 gearbox, I have a 2 litre turbo block out of a car that we can have a play with. Power outputs? 2 litre carb: 100bhp 2 litre twin carb: 110bhp 2 litre injection: 123bhp 2 litre turbo: 145bhp 2 litre turbo APC/intercooled: 155bhp 2 litre 16v Full Pressure Turbo: 175bhp 2.3 litre 16v from 9000 etc. FPR: 225bhp. These 2.3 have a longer stroke so you might have problems there. And of course the turbos have MASSIVE torque increases
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I should probably add that a 1974 2 litre engine (or whenever the thing was introuced) will bolt directly onto a 1994 2 litre convertible gearbox (last year of the 900 classic), so in 20 years the bolt pattern didn't change!). There would be issues of clutch actuation which is irrelevant if you're putting a triumph box on the end.
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I'd often wondered about this. I had a Saab 9000 which was just the basic 16V EFI lump and it was a great motor which I thought could work very well in a lighter car.
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lewis; 3 bottles of wine? bloody hell!!!!!
Rich
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Haha just clocked on........yes, busy night Maybe if I get some free time soon, I'll grab a Saab lump and see if a seven or Dolly box will go anyway towards fitting. Unless anyone's got a picture of the back of a Saab engine? I have bellhousing diagrams for all the boxes so could do it that way. A turbo one won't really fit in a Dolly bay I think, unforunately Did want to do that. I think the turbo might want to mate with the headlamps, wing, suspension turret or bulkhead ;D
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this is all excellent stuff and i would love for someone to try the tr7 gearbox to a saab block.... all this has got me quite intrigued, might go to the scrappy with a tape measure soon.. si
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