MR TIKI
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TIKI,style from a different angle!
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Aug 13, 2011 17:09:17 GMT
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(not a current condition picture,its been in dry dock for 2 years) I finally had the TIKI MOBILE put back together today having had new values fitted and the head rebuild.I've been looking at replacing the coil,points and condensor with a box of tricks like the one below.I've had conflicting reports on wether its worth while,do any of you have experience of working with systems like this on your own retro? cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110581338026&ssPageName=STRK
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Boldly driving faster than a tin worm can wiggle.
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nutter81
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Aug 13, 2011 17:14:01 GMT
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ive had a few cheap kits and they are not very good in my experience i eventually settled for a lumitronic kit
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Aug 13, 2011 17:58:55 GMT
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Imp of Awsomeness! funny ya should post this up! my mate got a very similar kit , made by (or badged as)accuspark for his capri, he reckons it made a huge difference and has not had to touch it since fitted. last week i bought a powerspark kit for my celica, from the same seller youve listed, it arrived the next day, unfortunatly it doesnt seem to be working, i emailed him , had a reply withing half an hour and he has sggested a couple of things for me to try , if no luck he said he will get me another out on monday, cant argue with that. also bought a timing gun from him late thursday night, arrived today. so cant knock the service at all. i know its not what ya asked but thought id mention it. if it works as well as mateys capri did then ill be happy, priced points and condensors up at the motorfactors and was £17 so hoping this will also be quite cost effective in the long run. on a side note, was there some sorta imp club rally going on in north wales last week, saw about 30 of them heading over anglesey, prob to the track, a few on trailers including matt black roof chopped one with huge fins. looked ace ;D
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Aug 13, 2011 18:09:44 GMT
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I once soldered a Velleman (kd2423?) kit then discovering the Micra already had electronic ignition.
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Aug 13, 2011 18:41:53 GMT
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I run 2 VW bay campers with my hire company (scotlandbycamper.com) and last year had 2 instances of bad running with points closing up.
Easy for me to fix and diagnose but not good when its customers that are in the vans.
Start of the year I fitted lumitronic kits and so far had no problems what so ever (touch wood) .
Dave.
P.S. in your original post you say you want to replace "coil, points and condenser". The kit you link to only replaces points and condenser, you still need the coil.
Not even had to adjust timing and they are doing the best part of 1000 miles per week.
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Aug 13, 2011 19:01:27 GMT
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By 'lumitronic' are you on about lumenition magnetronic stuff?
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ezzysi
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Aug 13, 2011 19:13:00 GMT
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on a side note, was there some sorta imp club rally going on in north wales last week, saw about 30 of them heading over anglesey, prob to the track, a few on trailers including matt black roof chopped one with huge fins. looked ace ;D An Imp with mad roof chop and fins? That sounds like "The Gimp"
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MR TIKI
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Aug 13, 2011 19:35:56 GMT
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P.S. in your original post you say you want to replace "coil, points and condenser". The kit you link to only replaces points and condenser, you still need the coil. Yep,I'm aware of that,must confess I limited the details in my first post.the same company do 'flashy' coils too which they recommend to go with the ignition kit.having had mixed reports about electronic kits I wanted more info before despensing with my cash.thanks for your input A friend was saying stay away from them because if they break you can't fix it where as if your points slip you can adjust them,another mate said they are plug'n'play and you won't look back! hense my post.....
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MR TIKI
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Aug 13, 2011 19:48:29 GMT
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thanks for that ;D sadly it looks more like this at the moment,I've got my MoJo working again and some fresh ideas too... might well have been the national meet you saw,I've been off the road and out of the loop since 2009. the black one sounds like 'the Gimp' did it look like this?
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ChasR
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Aug 13, 2011 20:56:06 GMT
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Shall be interesting to see how the Imp pans out . Like a few people I have tried the cheaper kits with mixed success. The first was a Britpart kit on my MGB, which I sold with it on. For me, it kept the car running much more consistantly, and for the 3,000 miles it was fitted it did the job fine. On another B with the Accuspark kit, it did not work, but his baseplates (and dizzy for that matter) were in a poor state of repair. On the Stag, it's on Newtronic. Works fine on there now I have got to grips with it .
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Aug 13, 2011 21:37:12 GMT
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thanks for that ;D sadly it looks more like this at the moment,I've got my MoJo working again and some fresh ideas too... might well have been the national meet you saw,I've been off the road and out of the loop since 2009. the black one sounds like 'the Gimp' did it look like this? that looks kinda like the one i saw... but was on the opposite side of the motorway on a trailor, only got a quick glimps and half the time i was looking at it i was get6ting all giddy and not taking it in! ;D
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Seth
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Aug 13, 2011 21:44:00 GMT
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I bought a cheapy "Britpart" one for the Herald when it was still with a Triumph engine. Seemed to last about 2 miles before causing problems so I took it off and reverted to points. I feel like quality seems to be very hit and miss with these cheap conversions. Some people rave about them because they've had the fortune to get good components that have lasted. I was perhaps one of the unlucky ones.
If I wanted to go for something I wanted to be "reliable" I'd plump for one of the more expensive but maybe more established brands, like the Pertronix or Magnetronic units. But in actuality I am perfectly happy staying with points.
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ChasR
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Aug 14, 2011 17:25:23 GMT
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I don't mind points too much. The problem IMO these days is in getting the quality right. The rotor arms issue has been dealt with (but this can affect electronic systems too unless you go with a 123 dizzy or distributorless ignition). But then the condensors can cause all sorts of issues, hence getting a good supplier of those is hard (maybe it's just Intermotor items but I cannot say for sure).
With the 'pricier' systems, as Seth has said, majority of the time, they do seem to 'work'.
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topcat
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Aug 14, 2011 20:18:50 GMT
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A lot of people rave about these cheapo ignition kits. They seem to work well and give a better spark because of the way they switch the coil; allowing it to 'dump' it's charge faster than the condensor in a traditional setup will allow. They also do not rely on the points gap for a consistent dwell angle. They can mask the effects of a worn distributor on spark quality.
No electronic ignition kit can fix all the effects of a worn distributor such as higher RPM spark scatter. Just like cheapo Chinese distributors from E-bay these cheap ignition kits should be considered OK for a classic that isn't a high mileage or performance vehicle. I've heard of and had problems with both but most seem to be OK.
I've had very good experiences with Lumenitions Optronic I and II kits with the separate control box. I've had problems with Magnetronic kits however. I believe the problem can be the heat and vibration inside the distributor. Problems have always been on cars in regular service. However most problems are from poor fitment, incorrect or faulty coils (incorrect resisitance) or an engine block that does not have a very clean earth.
I think most people who are amazed by the result of fitting a cheap ignition kit would also be amazed by the results of fitting a reconditioned distributor! I've always been a fan of fitting an ignition amplifier in place of the condenser. This is a very cheap upgrade. It means the points merely act like a switch and carry very little voltage, they do not dictate the dwell angle and the coil is fired more effectively. Also you can fit a sports coil without fear of frying the ignition module with most kits. Maplin do one for about a tenner. All my cars use a Bosch ignition amplifier, copper core leads and a sports coil with big plug gaps. What a difference!
The people to speak to for recon distributors are H & H ignition solutions, Bestek, Aldon or Lumenition for ignition kits.
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Aug 14, 2011 20:58:11 GMT
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I have an Aldon one on my Anglia. I can't say I can notice any difference between it and points. I was hoping it might give me more top end in case my crusty old set of points were bouncing, but it's no different. I only use it because it cost me so damn much, otherwise I'd just use the points that never gave me any trouble anyway.
That said, I know points systems can be troublesome on some marques, so a leccy module might make a difference.
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purplevanman
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Aug 14, 2011 21:15:46 GMT
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I have the same system but sold by Simon BBC, 1 in the Rebel and 1 in the Rumph both appear faultless and were both big improvements on the points, untouched since fitting. I do carry the original points just in case
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Aug 14, 2011 21:22:43 GMT
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my glf saloon was a nightmare when the points wore out,all replacements from motor factors didnt work full stop no matter how much tweaking i did. replaced the dizzy with one from a later 1800 pickup with built in electronic ignition which was a straight swap bar a couple of extra wires and made a heck of a difference,not much help to you i know as I'm not sure imps ever came with it at any stage in their production? of course i may be wrong.
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Aug 14, 2011 21:28:50 GMT
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Pid363!
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Aug 14, 2011 21:57:28 GMT
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I run a couple of A60's and use metro dizzys with the little pack on the side, in 7 years never had a problem, in fact i havent took the cap of one in 3 years!
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MR TIKI
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Aug 17, 2011 20:38:24 GMT
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sorry for late reply,been away a couple of days.thanks for all your input.I think I'm going to start with a sports coil to go with my new plugs and see what happens.
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