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The first step is to just be careful where you park your car. If you have a car that would be attractive to banger racers try to have it locked away at night. They only pinch cars that are easy to hi-ab away. If you have a mk1 or 2 granny, a westie or a cortina (or even a bluebird!) be choosy about where you leave it. You could even go as far as having a tracker installed if you have the money? So can we just get this straight... in your eyes if someone is unlucky enough to have their car pinched (not everyone is fortunate enough to have off road behind locked gates parking) then its almost their own fault if it gets raced!!! ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) From reading through the whole thread with an open mind and looking at some of the suggestions raised which while requiring some work still make sense. It appears that if that might actually stop the problem the banger racers won't have it, or its too much work or it'll put the cost up. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) V5's don't have to come back do they... not looked at my new style V5 for a while but I'm guessing you still get the transfer of ownership part don't you? This is valid proof of ownership if you are made to produce documents for driving on the road while waiting for the DVLA to return it. If I nicked someones Mighty Mini race car and registered and turned up at the next race meet with it I'd get caught and banged up quite rightly. It appears to me from reading all this that people seem to think that banger racing is above the law which is quite frankly curse word!
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Jul 28, 2006 12:19:08 GMT
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Why is everyone still harping on about Banger Racers should either insist on getting and/or applying for a vehicles V5 document and not one person has yet insisted that all scrap yards/breakers do the same??
Is it because it would cause too much trouble to the classic car restorers when they weigh in their de-vinned cars.
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Jul 28, 2006 12:26:31 GMT
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So can we just get this straight... in your eyes if someone is unlucky enough to have their car pinched (not everyone is fortunate enough to have off road behind locked gates parking) then its almost their own fault if it gets raced!!! ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) It appears to me from reading all this that people seem to think that banger racing is above the law which is quite frankly b*ll*cks! I was waiting for an answer like that ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) No, of course its not their fault, but its always wise to take atleast basic precautions. In an ideal world you could leave your car anywhere but the world isnt ideal, far from it. All I'm saying is you need to be smart and make it as difficult as possible for anyone to get at your car, hotwire it, or hi-ab it away. For example leaving an austin westminster in a dark unlit alleyway overnight is asking for trouble. I'm sure you know what I mean. Who has ever said that banger racing isnt above the law? It most certainly is. If your referring to racing stolen cars then, yes that is of course illegal but banger racing as a sport is all well above board.
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1987 Maestro 1.6 HL perkins diesel conversion 1986 Audi 100 Avant 1800cc on LPG 1979 Allegro Series 2 special 4 door 1500cc with vynil roof. IN BITS. HERITAGE ISSUES.
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Jul 28, 2006 12:28:54 GMT
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Why is everyone still harping on about Banger Racers should either insist on getting and/or applying for a vehicles V5 document and not one person has yet insisted that all scrap yards/breakers do the same?? Is it because it would cause too much trouble to the classic car restorers when they weigh in their de-vinned cars. What nonsense. It is already the law that when you scrap your car or take it to the scrapyard, the scrapyard is obliged to deal with the V5 properly and inform DVLA of the situation.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jul 28, 2006 12:52:50 GMT
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Okay Mr Knowitall, take your road car to your nearest scrap yard and weigh it in and see if the guy operating the weighbridge insists on your V5.
Also as has already been said many times that banger drivers do not have the V5 for every car they race but they eventually get scrapped, so how does your response hold up??
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Jul 28, 2006 12:57:15 GMT
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Okay Mr Knowitall, take your road car to your nearest scrap yard and weigh it in and see if the guy operating the weighbridge insists on your V5. But then that scrap yard shoudl be bought to book over dis-regard for the law? When I scrapped my old Peugoet the scrappy took the log book, gave me an recipt (spelling?) and that was the last I heard of it. Didn't get any tax reminders or anything so I'm assuming that it was dealt with properly. If a scrappy doesn't deal with it properly then surely you would get tax reminders etc. ?? I'm sure there are a lot of scrappies that don't follow the system though. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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Jul 28, 2006 13:07:31 GMT
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The yard should take your V5, and the yard I like to use won't take cars without one.
Other yards will take cars with no V5 but this should only be if the vehicle has already been registered as scrapped (or broken), in which case the vehicle can't go back on the streets without re-registration. Expect DVLA to ask a lot of nasty questions.
It's really sad that the vast majority of banger racers who've registered are just trotting out all the same old curse word over and over with nothing constructive to add.
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My fleet: Suzuki GSX-R600Y SRAD with bald, melted tyres A borrowed Mondeo
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Jul 28, 2006 13:08:32 GMT
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Okay Mr Knowitall, take your road car to your nearest scrap yard and weigh it in and see if the guy operating the weighbridge insists on your V5. Also as has already been said many times that banger drivers do not have the V5 for every car they race but they eventually get scrapped, so how does your response hold up?? Heyyy, yet more constructive points put forward by the banger crews. If you scrap it yourself or you take reponsibility for scrapping it, ie you go and weigh it in yourself, then YOU deal with the V5 (if there is one). If you take it to a vehicle dismantlers you give them the V5 and THEY deal with it. In the former case the responsibility is with you to not be weighing in something which is nicked, which is clearly too much responsibility for some folk, many of whom seem to be part of the banger scene strangely enough judging by the whinging.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jul 28, 2006 13:10:15 GMT
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In the former case the responsibility is with you to not be weighing in something which is nicked, which is clearly too much responsibility for some folk, many of whom seem to be part of the banger scene strangely enough judging by the whinging. This needling each other isn't proving helpful folks ....
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Jul 28, 2006 13:19:58 GMT
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Aye you're right, soz. i'll button it!
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jul 28, 2006 13:31:50 GMT
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The yard I use insists on a log book for "complete vehicles" as they are fed up of cars being pinched from the side of the road, dragged in on a clapped out harvey frost crane equipped transit and weighed in. I used to see cars dragged in on their handbrakes. Yards often get raided by the police looking for such cars. Any used bangers that I have taken in havent needed a log book, as they assume that I have alreay sent off the log book as scrap. I took a triumph 2.5 PI shell in that was completely gutted of everything and was very very rotten. They didnt ask to see the log book for that either.
Basically, if it looks like it could be nicked they will need a log book to prove its legit. If it comes in on a trailer smashed to bits or flattened and it obviously hasnt been nicked 5 minutes ago then they don't need a V5. I think moss covered rotted out classics would come under this category too
If the PC granny or that big yank thing had been taken straight in as scrap they would have needed a V5, perhaps banger drivers are the only way to get rid of "whole" cars without their log books........I hadnt thought of that before now.............
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1987 Maestro 1.6 HL perkins diesel conversion 1986 Audi 100 Avant 1800cc on LPG 1979 Allegro Series 2 special 4 door 1500cc with vynil roof. IN BITS. HERITAGE ISSUES.
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Jul 28, 2006 13:44:26 GMT
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All this talk of having to have a V5 is obviously coming from non racers, it will NOT work! 50% + of racers i know work in breakers yards, they get the cars that are council tow aways and leagaly can't leave the yard once they are in there. Now instead of destroying a good bit of tin they take em home strip em (sell me the bits cheap) and race em, returning them to the yard for desruction after, there is NO way they can get a V5 for the car even though it's NOT stolen!
All this slating off of racers is just alienating the place most of the spares the classic owner buys come from, 99% banger racers don't steal cars, a very small percentage may buy one (yes you can go on about V5's) but in the last year i've sold 17 cars without logbooks, 2 to racers and 15 to classic owners who trusted me enough to take the risk, fortunatly for them i am trustworthy and never sell nicked cars.
Now the racers who bought the cars in question are they unlucky of theives? i'd say unlucky!!!
What people seem unable to grasp is the fact theses cars get stolen for greed/fun/cos the theif is a tosser and END up in racers yards, they are NOT stolen to be raced in 99% of the time. No if you think it's ok to tar all racers for the 1% odd of tossers that exsist then surely the classic comunity should look towards putting it's own house in order IE sales of ID tags on ebay and elsewhere cos looking at the classic scene in the same light we (the classic owners) are all running ringed cars. Yes that Mk1 escort i saw last week must be a ringer cos i know of 3 other classic owners who have ringed cars, ok they are all a different make but sureley we are all the same as the minority , yes?
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Jul 28, 2006 13:48:39 GMT
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Oh and just incase anyone wants to know i don't have a problem with ringing a NON stolen car with new registration for say reshelling a lotus or geting your car tax exempt in fact i MAY even have one meself. or i may not ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Jul 28, 2006 13:48:53 GMT
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The way I see it is, most classic enthusiasts are appalled at the thought of banger racing and on hearing about classics being stolen and raced use this as a way to bash the whole sport. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Jul 28, 2006 13:57:48 GMT
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do ya know i think your right ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) quite a few in my world soon changed their minds when i stopped selling cheap bits i'd obtained through racers, on the princable that they slagged racers off constantly but were perfectly willing to buy racers cast offs cheap. fortunatly some where open minded enough to see that fact and now some even openly sell thier old parts cars to racers. Mind you the fact that i scrap more old tin (stripped for all parts) than most racers use in 3 years tended to show that the racer way wasn't neseseraly the wastefull way. I meen i get texts from racers slating me for not leaving enough to race if racers are scum i must be sub scum ;D ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Jul 28, 2006 14:00:00 GMT
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It's no problem whatsoever to get a logbook for a council towaway. Been there, done that.
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My fleet: Suzuki GSX-R600Y SRAD with bald, melted tyres A borrowed Mondeo
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Jul 28, 2006 14:02:23 GMT
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I presume that you get a stamped/signed bit of paper from the council too when you take custody of one of these cars.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jul 28, 2006 14:08:57 GMT
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The way I see it is, most classic enthusiasts are appalled at the thought of banger racing and on hearing about classics being stolen and raced use this as a way to bash the whole sport. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Definitely not the case here. My problem is the stealing of cars to race, not banger racing. 100%. I have become more and more disheartened with banger racers who constantly mention the 99% majority over the sport's scum, but somehow feel that the 1% are untouchable. Please guys, lets find a way of stoipping the thefts...the 99% must know who the 1% are...I can name one for you.
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Jul 28, 2006 14:10:14 GMT
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I presume that you get a stamped/signed bit of paper from the council too when you take custody of one of these cars. Had no problem at all.... The yard towing the car contacted the council, who did sort me out with some paperwork, then I applied for a logbook. Bingo! Free Mercedes 500SEL! It was a shed, like. But my mate Paul's still using it!
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My fleet: Suzuki GSX-R600Y SRAD with bald, melted tyres A borrowed Mondeo
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Jul 28, 2006 14:35:41 GMT
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I think ideally the V5 thing would work,.. but in the real world it is becoming clear it won't.
I'd like to see some level of shame against a driver who races a stolen car. Wether that be a 2 month ban for first offence,.. and gradually rising for repeat offences? That would encourage some level of background check when purchasing the car... and wouldn't peanilise one off accidental purchases too harshly.
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