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Chap on another forum I use bought a car, a well known car in the scene, a car featured in magazines on several occasions and often picked out in event reports in print and so forth.
He scraped up every penny he had pretty much and laid down 12 grand for the shiny beast.
Last I spot is in the parts section and he's breaking it...
After a series of those minor to moderate gripes you often get with older modified cars (over heating, hard starting, etc) he had a wheel come off, figuratively and literally.
Luckily at slow speed but it damaged the panelwork. So not only has it been running without spigot rings and snapped the wheel studs but he finds the wings are full of plod.
Stripping down further to assess the damage he finds iffy welding under more pog. The floors are rusty but just been painted over (presumably with thick paint). Stripping the paint up the car he finds the roof panel not actually attached to the drip rails by anything more than, you guessed it, more filler...
Now my heart goes out to the guy as we've all bought em and found them to be less good than we thought. But to find a £12K show & feature car to be what sounds like a right basketcase really must cause you to pucker up.
I read about this the same time as I'm reading about that neat looking Toyota on this forum which is a Cat B.
Starting to wonder about how much trust we place on the fact a car "looks" right and is a "known" car or is sold by a "forum regular" or respectable club member. We've all done that, some cars I've even been happy I'd buy over the phone as it was a "known" car (not for that money though)
Seems sometimes we get blinded by how cool something would be and we drop our defences. Maybe sometimes its just something you'd never have spotted as it was so well hidden but waiting to come out and bite you in the ass later. Sometimes we allow our enthusiasm for a "deal" to overpower the sensible voice which tells us floor pans smoothed with P38 aren't "trick" they are hiding clag.
No real point to this other than maybe we all need to resolve to watch out for botched stuff as it can be dangerous as well as costing us some money and a lot of pride if we buy a lemon.
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Last Edit: Aug 6, 2011 20:38:12 GMT by akku
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Seems sometimes we get blinded by how cool something would be and we drop our defences. . Indeed. I've been burnt a couple of times in the past but 'luckily' only on parts not cars . I bought something on here from a forum regular with a few thousand posts so hey , what could go wrong ?! I mean afterall , they had a squiilion posts so stands to reason they must be a fine upstanding pillar of the community , right ? Wrong . Do your homework , don't be naive and don't assume that everyone that logs into the same forum that you do ( regardless of their post count ) shares the same values that you do .
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That's hideous. Feel for the guy. This happened to a few people in the race series I was in last year. They spent good money on a car from a series builder and then had to spend a season rebuilding it.
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This is why i don't buy "restored" or "good" cars (that and i`m a cheap curse word, but that doesnt look as nice on paper ;D )
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Seems sometimes we get blinded by how cool something would be and we drop our defences. . Indeed. I've been burnt a couple of times in the past but 'luckily' only on parts not cars . I bought something on here from a forum regular with a few thousand posts so hey , what could go wrong ?! I mean afterall , they had a squiilion posts so stands to reason they must be a fine upstanding pillar of the community , right ? Wrong . Do your homework , don't be naive and don't assume that everyone that logs into the same forum that you do ( regardless of their post count ) shares the same values that you do . Likewise, got burnt on here when I took the same attitude. Serves me right for being the first and last time I sent a truck for a car rather than going to look at it myself though as well. Learnt my lesson about not really knowing people no matter how many times you've 'seen' them about on the forum. I came out of that one relatively unscathed though - it was still a cheap car for what it was. Sinking £12k into something that bad would be seriously upsetting.
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jayps
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name and shame then !
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Yikes.
*proud to be advertising his 240z with all its hideous wounds for all and sundry to see*
The roof/drip rail connection sounds utterly terrifying akku! Aftering being burnt the (first) time i.e. the original datsun project, I bought a retro car, my god will it never happen again.
Photos of said vehicular offender? Can we has?
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Stuff like this scares me a little, as some people are willing to put a lot of serious effort into bodging things. I recently bought a Diahatsu sportrak for spares from a breakers here in France. Its UK car that had been rolled. Blood in the interior points to a nasty ending to somones holiday. The rollover has knocked off a cladding of half-inch thick filler over the entire roof, a-pillars and front panels, showing that it had been rolled in the past, had the roof pulled straight-ish, then filler'd and painted. The pillars are complely rotten under the filler and I am sure a non-bodged car would have held up a lot better in its latest accident.
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surely hes going to be taking them to court or something?? when i sell a car i always tell everytone,even if they are miles away to come and see it 1st and they can borrow my jack and get underneath it and spend as long as they like on it b4 deciding the time it took to bodge like that they might as well tried to do it properly ! some people just have no morals
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It's the same with buying any used car really wether it's from a forum or not, it's buyer beware.
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i know the car you're on about, and i'd be gutted if i'd bought it as well, if its as bad as you say it is, its wonder it didn't just snap in half or fallen to bits considering the abuse it must of had :S
i remember seeing it at the FOS in 2010, never had a real good look as i wasn't interested in buying it, kinda wish i'd shown more of an interest now
buyer beware as always, and take a magnet!!! however i have heard of people putting metal in the filler to foil them :S
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Are we allowed to know what car it was?
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bortaf
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seen this happen so often, this is why show cars dissapear, only last year the same thing happend to a ford owner, bought a well known and mag shown car only to have to give it a full rebuild a year after buying it, even the bulkhead was full of plop, again from a well known face in the scene with a good few cars to his name. So many shows cars dissapear after 2 years never to be seen again, just as the rust starts to push the plop out
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Last Edit: Aug 7, 2011 15:21:40 GMT by bortaf
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Theres a moral to this storey, NEVER buy someone alse's work. It may sound harsh but it allways works out better in the end. My dad has a load of broken and bent engine parts out of one his old moterbikes that was rebult by an "expert" with recepts for thousands of pounds to prove it, it threw a rod after 167 miles of running in which dad thought was an imposabilty because it had aftermarket steel rods and new pistons fitted and payed over the odds for said bike because of all the "expert" work that had been carried out on it. How wrong he was, no sign of the steel rods or new pistons or new valves ( or nearly anything that was listed as new). Rings up said "expert" and asks what the f$$k he is playing at, not onley had he riped off the guy dad bought the bike off but now dad is left with a £15,000 bike with a blown engine, to cut a long story short "mr expert" sent all his engines away to a 3rd party to be rebult and just passed the costs on ( allthough all his adverts said that his engine work was done in house !!) to the buyer, so he was not accountable for any failures and we were to contact the 3rd party, we did and the 3rd party, keen to avoid any legal procedeings and damige to his rep came to the agreement that dad would rebuld the engine and present him with the bill, we did and he payed !!! The bottem line is that these people were supposed to be well respected and trusted !!!!
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It's a shame he got bitten.
When I come to sell my fast Datsun after I've returned it to the road, I'll try to be quite clear on what work has been done to remove rust and also what work I still think needs doing to it in order to improve it further than an MOTable car.
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I think legally you can't pass liability to the third party. Your contract is with the supplier you deal with.
I know I can't which is why I have liability insurance and professional indemnity insurance.
Hardtop - is it out of order to cite which car it is we are talking about?
And yeah, it's been together a long time if it's that bad, surprised me too.
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hi guys i have a mate who spent 13k on an L reg lotus carlton, he got 5 miles down the road and not even got over 30 and it stopped dead (gutted and wanting to throw himself under the next car)he got it home and 1500 quid later its back on the road,but after having a really good look around it he now realises it is a dog and will cost more to put right than its worth, i think we have all at some time bought a fantasy and its turned into a nightmare.......
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Like most people on here, I have been burnt when buying something that wasn't all it seemed. Experience of being stung always helps, but I can't help but be amazed at the lengths and expense people go to when bodging cars. I bought a car that I thought was a bit dodgy, but I wanted it for spares. When I broke it, the amount of filler in it was amazing and must have cost a fortune! The skills used to create the correct shapes and profiles from plop, 'glass and wire were pretty impressive too...
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alistairk - you can say of you want, although i don't think many people will know the car, i just don't wanna add to the tale of woe :S
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