PhoenixCapri
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Jan 23, 2017 21:21:38 GMT
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Have started measuring everything up ready to take over to the machine shop and sadly the crank has already been ground to the max oversize bearing size. The solution, buy more engines! Two for a tenner, both still turn over and in inlet manifolds and carbs are worth a good £50-100 alone. Will get these stripped tomorrow evening, hopefully one will have a usable crank! One problem remains though, I'm running out of space for spare engines, and this isn't all of them...
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qwerty
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Jan 23, 2017 22:09:07 GMT
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Great to see this progressing. I'm really looking forward to seeing what you can get out of the old Cologne lump!
Regardless of figures 7500rpm and 3 44idf' s should sound fabulous.
Tom
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Last Edit: Jan 23, 2017 22:10:06 GMT by qwerty
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bstardchild
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Jan 23, 2017 22:16:36 GMT
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Have started measuring everything up ready to take over to the machine shop and sadly the crank has already been ground to the max oversize bearing size. The solution, buy more engines! Two for a tenner, both still turn over and in inlet manifolds and carbs are worth a good £50-100 alone. Will get these stripped tomorrow evening, hopefully one will have a usable crank! I rung a crank in the Monza - had to strip two 24V engines to find a std crank that was servicable and could take HD shells from Risse Motorsport PS TTV Billet flywheels are lovely - I now have two of them
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Colonelk
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Jan 24, 2017 11:33:40 GMT
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PhoenixCapri
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Cheers guys
Good news, the first of the engines I've stripped has a really nice condition bottom end. Clearly been rebuilt and to be honest could have run as it was if wasn't changing a load of bits. Crank has had a minor grind before, but enough meat to take to -0.02". Journals are so good that am tempted to just put new bearings in.
Other good news is they're slightly later blocks so much stronger main bearing caps and cam bearings.
Hopefully break the other one down tonight.
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Phil H
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Jan 25, 2017 11:34:30 GMT
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Sounds like a winner!
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Jan 25, 2017 19:55:31 GMT
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PhoenixCapri could you please contact me through PM?
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PhoenixCapri
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Right then, couple more weeks past, still no heads.... Yes I am getting worried about meeting deadlines now. But hopefully this is the week they return - fingers crossed! But I have been getting on with things. Step one in changing an engine surely has to be removing the old one. Still to work out what I'm going to bolt the Zetec into next - sure something will turn up I've also started getting engine bits ready to bolt back together. One box of blasted engine parts - got these and more done for £40 in Coventry, with a 2 day turnaround - Marawise Treatments Ltd if anyone needs a blasters. Not perfect, but very good for the price/speed. Also showed up a pin hole in the front of the sump where the engine had been resting on the pan - so have welded this up And then some paint Most bits will be black or silver, but going to add some colour to the rocker covers, just not sure what colour yet... Next up, pulling the engine, a bit more paint and then getting stuff together to hand over to the fab shop to make up an inlet manifold
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Feb 15, 2017 10:53:11 GMT
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Awesome !!! You know that 2K works really well on engine blocks That would look really great in the body colour blue. So is now the wrong time to tell you about the ford explorer engine...... which is effectively a 4.0L "cologne" type V6
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Feb 15, 2017 11:08:19 GMT
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The V engines look good in Black and Silver.
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PhoenixCapri
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Feb 15, 2017 13:21:43 GMT
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Awesome !!! You know that 2K works really well on engine blocks That would look really great in the body colour blue. So is now the wrong time to tell you about the ford explorer engine...... which is effectively a 4.0L "cologne" type V6 Different block sadly, so not eligible. Did try and buy a granada with a 3.4ltr stroked v6 two weeks back, but missed out by 5mins....
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PhoenixCapri
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Feb 21, 2017 22:05:56 GMT
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Undercoat done and engine bay starting to look better finally. Still no heads though.... Buying another Capri for it's pinto engine is a good idea, yes?....
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PhoenixCapri
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Mar 12, 2017 18:05:37 GMT
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The Eaglets have landed! So after a very (very) long wait the heads are back and they look pretty good. The ports have been opened out a good amount, especially around the valve stem which was really restrictive. Sadly there is a water way in the heads that means you can't open them up enough to get a perfect line of sight to the valve head, but this is about as far as we'd dare go without having some spare heads should we break through. The valves have also been increased in size significantly, +2mm on the inlet and +4mm on the exhaust! Yet this only brings them in line with stock European 2.8i valve sizes. The US heads use smaller valves as part of their strategy for lower emissions/'smog control'. Springs a Kent Cams uprated ones, designed to deal with the much more aggressive cam I'm going to be using. Another feature of these heads is a inlet plenum heating port - this basically is a secondary port off the middle cylinder exhaust port that feeds into the underside of the inlet chamber, heating the plenum and promoting greater atomisation of the fuel thus a cleaner burn. But it also completely messes up the exhaust port flow from the mid cylinders, and they even connect, meaning there is a chance of charge contamination, especially at high revs. This can lead to knock, meaning lower ignition advance must be used, further reducing power. So I've blocked them off completely Finally they've been skimmed quite a lot, 20 thou, which should bring the compression ratio up to about 10.5:1. So I now have a pair fairly simple 6 port V6 heads. Nothing extreme, but they should be able to flow enough air to make 200bhp. Still a couple of bits to do, like cleaning the spark plug threads, fitting some new core plugs, painting them and blocking off the EGR feeds (yes they used all the 70's tricks to control the emissions on the US heads!), but they're basically ready to fit. There is more that can be done to them, but this build of the engine isn't pushing the absolute limits of what could be done as I want to make sure it's reasonably reliable. If I want more in the future I should be able to go another 2mm bigger on the inlet valves and take a bit more off the heads to up the compression ratio a bit more. But we'll see how this setup goes first! Now the heads are back I've settled on a bore size, so pistons are on their way and the block and crank are going off for machining. This leaves me to build an inlet - probably the toughest bit of the build. So far I have a stock US inlet manifold and some laser cut carb mounting plates The plan is to mill off the top of the existing plenum and runners and then fit 6 tubes in to connect each manifold port to one of the individual carb ports. Sadly the odd port spacing means things are not exactly simple, but a semi drunken chat with a friend last night about CAN-AM inlets lead to a nice solution. Basically I'm going to allow the runners to be different lengths up to the carb plate, and then correct the difference by using different length trumpets - the middle carb will end up having about 2 inch shorter trumpets than the front and rear ones, similar in idea to the setup on a Rover V8 efi engine. The only spanner in the works here is that the runners will be a different length up to the throttle plate, so while I'll have equal lengths on full throttle, things are arguably different with low throttle angles, this might cause some issues but since I don't have time to build a full CAE model of the thing, I'm just going to wing it and cross my fingers! In the worst case I'll just have to use full or no throttle - what could possibly go wrong with that driving style?!
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Colonelk
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Niiice Didn't even know 6 port heads were a thing for these but then I'm not a Ford guy. Are these lumps fairly well supported as far as performance mods go? I've always seen them (again as a non-ford type) as fairly unloved.
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PhoenixCapri
West Midlands
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Mar 13, 2017 15:57:20 GMT
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Niiice Didn't even know 6 port heads were a thing for these but then I'm not a Ford guy. Are these lumps fairly well supported as far as performance mods go? I've always seen them (again as a non-ford type) as fairly unloved. I wouldn't say they're well supported, but there are upgrade bits for most parts, especially if you have a Euro version (e.g. there is a triple carb manifold for a euro head, but not a US one). But there's often only one option for each of the bits, and second hand parts are fairly rare, so not easy to build one cheaply - I'm importing a fair bit for this reason. There are also a couple of specialists who can build you crazy version, be it long stroke, or alloy headed race engines, but then you start measuring the cost in tens of thousands! I do enjoy a challenge (once it's over...)
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PhoenixCapri
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Have started getting on with the milling of the manifold
Slow going but its coming along well
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I thought i recognized the Reg number,i owned it between 92-95,great to see it sill exists,and wow,what a resto.
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PhoenixCapri
West Midlands
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Jul 16, 2017 17:22:10 GMT
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I thought i recognized the Reg number,i owned it between 92-95,great to see it sill exists,and wow,what a resto. Amazing to get some info and amazing photos of the car in it's former life - thanks again so much for making the effort to find me! It really did have a lot of work to done to it originally Well I've been away for a very long time, life only seems to get busier. The engine work has ended up taking a very very long time, for various reasons. But a deadline is now approaching, MOT this Friday, first event with the new engine at Shelsley next Saturday - www.shelsleywalsh.com/event/classic-nostalgia/ I have no idea if I can make it, but lets see! So a little catch-up: The initial plan was to run triple carbs from the get go, but sadly the 'Alpha' manifold did not quite go to plan - lets just say getting clean nice aluminium pipework to join to nasty old alloy castings is not exactly easy! So plan B will involve making either a custom alloy base plate and building the manifold from that, or designing something to 3D print - but that will have to wait for another day. Since that failure I've modified another standard part to take a weber carb (single 40 IDF) Hopefully this should be good enough to get me up and running for now As for the engine, well after a lot of messing around with various parts the bottom end finally came together Pistons are quite a lot larger, imported from the US and then modified for floating pins. Compression height was a lot lower so had to deck the block 1.3mm to compensate. Rods are forged and the crank has been heavily lightened to compensate for the much lower inertia of the rods/pistons, and everything balanced. Timing wise I've gone for an alloy cam drive, so will be noisy but should be strong (I hope!) From there, heads on and engine in! Next step, make some exhaust manifolds - it's a pain but have decided to make some equal length ones, of a length that should give me some tuned pulses around peak engine speed. LHS is done RHS is about 30% there, but has to take a pretty difficult route to get the runner length, plus as the heads aren't symmetrical in terms of port location the manifolds are very different! So, 4 days to go... wish me luck
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Jul 16, 2017 20:53:01 GMT
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Mega work car colour brother!
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Jul 17, 2017 17:30:38 GMT
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Heres hoping you get her running in time,nothing like a dead line to motivate...
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