bl1300
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Jul 31, 2011 16:44:57 GMT
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Ive got a problem with the DAF at the moment in that its stopped charging its battery.
The car is fitted with a bosch dynamo with a two coil bosch regulator. I am unsure as to wether or not the regulator is working as the dynamo is not giving any voltage at all.
Stripping down the dynamo has revealed the following. Brushes are well past it and I spotted some signs of burning on the armature. Does anyone know of a way to test the armature (the bit that rotates inside the brushes.
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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Jul 31, 2011 17:23:56 GMT
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99% of the time it's the brushes, I'd bet they are fairly cheap to replace. Personally, unless the dynamo is a nightmare to change, I'd just stick some brushes in and see how you go. Spin the dynamo up with a drill and check you get some volts out of it before fitting it perhaps?
If you want to test it, test between each strip in the commutator and earth (the spindle). You shouldn't get any connection. Testing for open coils is trickyer because you need to know how it's wired and I forget how.
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Last Edit: Jul 31, 2011 17:25:19 GMT by cobblers
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bl1300
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Jul 31, 2011 17:28:23 GMT
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Dynos is proper easy to get on and off. I hope its just brushes cause they are easy to get. The thing that worries me is it didn't gradually get worse it just stopped charging and 1 mind only one strip has a bit of a blue colour at one end.
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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bl1300
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Jul 31, 2011 17:30:13 GMT
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p.s. I knew I had the wrong word for the commutator hence the brackets, its really annoying when the word you want just slips out of your head.
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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Jul 31, 2011 17:52:02 GMT
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p.s. I knew I had the wrong word for the commutator hence the brackets, its really annoying when the word you want just slips out of your head. Not to worry, that happens to everyone who's been an auto electrician for 16 years. If its a Bosch dynamo I presume its a fairly standard component, you might be as well to find a recon unit and just lob it on?
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Last Edit: Jul 31, 2011 17:52:49 GMT by xbo11ox
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Jul 31, 2011 18:09:24 GMT
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Actually, you had it right. In a DC generator (dynamo) it's called an armature. In an AC generator (alternator) it's a commutator. Fit some brushes and put it back on. If it charges, it works One point however... dynamo will only charge when the F terminal is taken live (+ in a -ve earth system) and the points in the control box switch this live. Was the charging lamp illuminated on the dash when you were testing for output?
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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bl1300
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Jul 31, 2011 18:45:05 GMT
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Bit of back story driving along and pulled in for petrol. When I left the charging light was on, now its always pulsed a bit on tickover as ive got it wound down to 550rpm so that I can start her in neutral and then select gear. Anyway it didn't go out drove to destination stuck her in neutral and revved her up at about 5k rpm the light flickered then went out as soon as it dropped back to tickover it was back on again and the same story.
Right first thing I did is pull all the electrical terminals off the dyno and the regulator and clean them up. Put them back on and nothing.
Charging light has been illuminated all the time, I know this as I was keeping the revs up whilst a mate operated a multimeter
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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Jul 31, 2011 19:07:16 GMT
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Actually, you had it right. In a DC generator (dynamo) it's called an armature. In an AC generator (alternator) it's a commutator. Are you sure? I reckon they both have an armature - the bit with the thick power producing wiring (stationary on an alternator) but if it doesn't have a commutator it has slip rings.
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Jul 31, 2011 19:38:12 GMT
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I typed that in a hurry (making the tea!) but commutator is an AC term. Dynamos have armature slip rings..
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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I typed that in a hurry (making the tea!) but commutator is an AC term. Dynamos have armature slip rings.. Sorry, Scary, but I'm quite sure that calamity is right. The armature is the power producing coil. In a dynamo the spinny thing (rotor), in an alternator the static thing (stator). The field is the thing that excites the machine - it provides the magnetic field which actually produces the electricity when the machine is moving. Controlled by the regulator: less field current = less power output. The commutator is the segmented switch attached to the armature (aka rotor) in a dymano - the brass bit that the brushes run on. It commutates the windings - ie it switches between the various wires to produce a DC output. Slip rings are the AC analogue of the commutator. Provides the field current in an alternator. Paul - one test of a dynamo that crops up in several sources (Haynes, Rootes workshop manuals, Crypton test meter instructions) is to: 1) Disconnect the dynamo from the car's wiring, and connect the F terminal to the D terminal. 2) Connect a voltmeter from D to ground. 3) Start the engine BUT DO NOT REV IT (it might be best to start with a warm engine, so you don't have the fast idle of a cold engine). 4) Gradually increase the revs - if the voltage rises quickly then the dynamo is good. Don't let the voltage rise above 20V - the insulation of the windings won't take much more before it breaks down. If the voltage doesn't increase rapidly, then it's the dynamo at fault - either the feild or armature windings could be open or short circuit, the brushes too worn (likely from your description), or possibly shorted or dirty commutator segments. The commutator can be cleaned with fine abrasives, and some can be re-faced by a machine shop if the segments are deeply grooved. If the voltage does increase, then the regulator is probably at fault. A 2 bobbin regulator has 2 tasks. The first is disconnecting the dynamo from the battery when the current starts to flow in the wrong direction. This is the cut-out. It will have bigger contacts and thick wiring on the bobbin. The dash light is connected across these contacts, so will illuminate whenever the dynamo isn't charging. The other job is to regulate the voltage - this is performed by the smaller set of contacts, which act like a voltage-sensitive relay: When the voltage is too high, the contacts are pulled open, turning off the dynamo. The voltage then drops, and the contacts close again. This cycle will repeat quite quickly when the voltage reaches the set point - you might hear it on a a radio as a buzzing. The bobbin will be mostly small wire, but it may have a few turns of thick stuff.
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bl1300
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we did the test you describe and the most the dynamo would kick out was 1.2V
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1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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How about taking the opportunity to swap it out for a modern alternator? I did that a while ago so I could run some extra electrics and don't have to worry about the battery not charging now. And it meant I could junk my mechanical regulator.
Measure up the mounting points as best you can (tricky while it's still on the car, I know) and scour the breakers or ebay for something close and cheap. Diahatsu Matiz alternators are pretty compact and often come with a vee pulley.
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I typed that in a hurry (making the tea!) but commutator is an AC term. Dynamos have armature slip rings.. Sorry, Scary, but I'm quite sure that calamity is right. Yeah, I know. I was in a silly mood and decided to guess, and agree with other people instead of being right
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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bl1300
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How about taking the opportunity to swap it out for a modern alternator? I did that a while ago so I could run some extra electrics and don't have to worry about the battery not charging now. And it meant I could junk my mechanical regulator. Measure up the mounting points as best you can (tricky while it's still on the car, I know) and scour the breakers or ebay for something close and cheap. Diahatsu Matiz alternators are pretty compact and often come with a vee pulley. Oh its simpler than that This is a 44 and a 12v one. 2 years later DAF introduced the 46 model which had an alternator. The engine are identical and interchangable as are the mounting brackets. I also just swap the regulator box for a 46 one. The problem is finding the parts and the fact that I really need the car back on the road yesterday as its my daily driver ;D
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Current fleet.
1967 DAF 44 1974 VW Beetle 1303s 1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV 1988 VW LT45 Beavertail 1998 Volvo V70 2.5 1959 Fordson Dexta
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