VIP
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Jul 25, 2011 18:13:27 GMT
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Guys, I've asked the OP whether the Jag VRM appears on the DVLA Vehicle Enquiry database.
If it doesn't, ownership of the VRM has been lost somewhere along they way, and the best course of action is to re-apply for it quickly and hope the DVLA have a sympathetic ear since he already owns the car the VRM was originally issued to.
If it DOES appear on the database, the DVLA don't have a leg to stand on, as the rules for VRM transfers applies, and the since the vehicle is neither taxed or MOTd, the VRM cannot be removed by transfer.
I guess we'll just need t wait and see what he says the results are.
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VIP
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Jul 25, 2011 18:15:11 GMT
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another thought... Is the car at your dad's house or is it in a lockup or storage unit somewhere? If the latter then some well intentioned person might be trying to "save it" as we often get asked about on this forum "can't I just apply for the log book its obviously been abandonned?" I lost my Seville by someone doing that. Mostly my fault, because I forgot to change the address on the log book when I moved. It ws in a council lockup and I was working in France. Came back one weekend and decided to do some work on it. Got to the garage and it was empty. Long story short, The council took the doors of the garages to put new ones on and I assume that someone spotted it in there (it was a bit of a shed at the time so I guess they 'May' have thought it was dumped.), must have spent some time looking at the garage to see of the door was ever opened, which it wasn't because I was away. They applied for a log book, DVLA wrote to the old address, no reply so they just issued the book. The police wouldn't do anything, because they said it was 'Legally registered' and they could not give me the name and address of the new keeper. Finally, six months later I got through to a nice woman at DVLA who told me who it was currently registered to but, by the time I got that info and went round to the address, the car and the thieving little scrote were long gone. I guess the OP needs to clarify whether the DVLA said it was the Registration Mark or Registration Document which has been applied for, as there's a vast difference between the two. |
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Last Edit: Jul 25, 2011 18:15:53 GMT by VIP
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Jul 25, 2011 18:30:00 GMT
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So, coming at this from another direction, My first car was a Triumph 2000 Mk1, which i pushed off the end of the breakwater at RAF mountbatten in the late 70's, would i be able to ask for that plate for my volvo?
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carmad
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Jul 25, 2011 19:20:02 GMT
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So, coming at this from another direction, My first car was a Triumph 2000 Mk1, which I pushed off the end of the breakwater at RAF mountbatten in the late 70's, would I be able to ask for that plate for my volvo? i wouldnt admit to that they will prob screw you with all sorts off polution laws |
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Jul 25, 2011 19:35:23 GMT
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So, coming at this from another direction, My first car was a Triumph 2000 Mk1, which I pushed off the end of the breakwater at RAF mountbatten in the late 70's, would I be able to ask for that plate for my volvo? I wouldnt admit to that they will prob screw you with all sorts off polution laws Lol, a nice bit of artificial reef |
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VIP
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Jul 25, 2011 19:54:42 GMT
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So, coming at this from another direction, My first car was a Triumph 2000 Mk1, which I pushed off the end of the breakwater at RAF mountbatten in the late 70's, would I be able to ask for that plate for my volvo? Does that VRM show up on the DVLA database? |
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robg2
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Jul 25, 2011 19:57:07 GMT
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Gosh...
thanks for the interest folks, and the help.
So:
Is it a) the registration mark or b) the V5 that someone's trying to apply for?
>>> Good point; I'll speak to my Dad tomorrow and find out, but I can see your train of thought (it is stored with a storage company rather than 'private' land we control access to).
Is it still on the DVLA vehicle database?
>>>Yes it is, it's there on the DVLA Vehicle Enquiry website and all details appear to be correct.
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Rich G
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Jul 25, 2011 20:03:58 GMT
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So, coming at this from another direction, My first car was a Triumph 2000 Mk1, which I pushed off the end of the breakwater at RAF mountbatten in the late 70's, would I be able to ask for that plate for my volvo? You'd need to do some serious work to get that through an MoT if it's been in the sea for 30-odd years LOL! Even if you had the V5 (or V5C) document you still need a physical car to MoT to get the plate transferred from...  |
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Jul 25, 2011 20:11:28 GMT
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indeed, DVLA like to inspect the car the plate is coming off-of now, too many phantom cars and ringer MOTs in the number plate trade in the past. I know a couple people done transfer of plates and had to have both cars VIC'd
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VIP
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Jul 25, 2011 20:13:05 GMT
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Is it a) the registration mark or b) the V5 that someone's trying to apply for? >>> Good point; I'll speak to my Dad tomorrow and find out, but I can see your train of thought (it is stored with a storage company rather than 'private' land we control access to). Is it still on the DVLA vehicle database? >>>Yes it is, it's there on the DVLA Vehicle Enquiry website and all details appear to be correct. Well, obviously the first thing is to ascertain which it is, which will dictate your actions, but the facts are in your favour either way. If it's the Registration Document [V5C] that they are applying for, then the DVLA are correct, they have no right to stop the application. Anyone can apply for a Registration Document to be assigned to them, but the course of that application will include the DVLA contacting the current Registered Keepers details on the V5C and getting them to confirm that the new claiment has permission to apply. Only in cases where the current Registered Keeper either fails to respond, or grants permission, will the applicant be awarded as the new Registered Keeper. So the answer for the current Registered Keeper to write back and explain that the applicant has no enforceable claim over getting the V5C details changed, and that you wish for the current Registered Keeper's details to remain on the V5C. Alternatively, if someone is trying to apply for the VRM to be transferred to another vehicle, this simply cannot take place. The VRM is currently assigned to your father's Jaguar [as confirmed on the DVLA database], and for a VRM to be transferred from one vehicle to another required the current vehicle assigned the VRM to be taxed and MOTd. There are special circumstances where this does not apply, but only if the tax and MOT have recently lapsed, not for a car that has been off the road for 20 years. |
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bigt
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Jul 25, 2011 20:50:46 GMT
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When I worked for the police this problem came up now and then. I would suggest the same applies now as it did then. Your father needs to reply to the DVLA saying he has the car and he is the registered keeper (I assume you father has the V5 in his name). The DVLA then asks the police to visit the 2 parties in question to view `the car`. Based on what the police see the DVLA is then informed accordingly. I recall one case, a daimler, officer went to view the car, happy that the this was the car in question. Another force sent out an officer to view what appeared to be a pile of rust with 2 number plates which appeared to have been made recently....
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jayps
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Jul 25, 2011 20:56:28 GMT
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Re the above - they have re-issued plates or even sold them through their auctions
I bought NHK 296M (sweeney cortina reg ) ,that had been re-issued bacause the car was scraped in 88
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Jul 25, 2011 21:00:50 GMT
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Re the above - they have re-issued plates or even sold them through their auctions I bought NHK 296M (sweeney cortina reg ) ,that had been re-issued bacause the car was scraped in 88 Jammy Sod Lol - Do You Have That On Your Wall On Actually On One Of Your Cars? |
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jayps
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Jul 25, 2011 21:25:17 GMT
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I bought it as a 40th birthday present for myself ,but sadly hit hard times at xmas and it was sold to even bigger sweeney fan for a lot of dosh . Hes going to put it on his Consul GT
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Jul 25, 2011 23:06:13 GMT
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very lucky as the dvla won't let me have original single figure reg for my crayford ,they say it was voided & can't be reissued to anyone???
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theres more to life than mpg & to much power is just enough.
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The DVLA is a bit of a law unto itself on these things. They probably saw no value or significance in the Sweeny plate.
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