Kai
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And no-one say, a charger! I don't drive much, due to the ridiculous price of fuel at the pump, and only make a trip to the shops once a fortnight, or once every 3 weeks. Thing is - the car just sits there, and each time i need to go anywhere, i need to charge it. It's become a bit of a plug in hybrid. Now though, it threatens to not start, so i'm thinking of opening all the plugs, pouring the rest of the electrolyte thats in it onto the weeds and filling up fresh. I can buy sulphuric acid off the shelf, and distilled water, no problem, and i know the mix is 35% sulphuric to 65% water but....is there anything i'm missing out here, aside from a final charge after i've done that, or am i missing a step?
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My Ma's Toyota is the same. Toyota main dealer says that the standing life of the battery is less than 2 weeks because of the various drains due to permanent lives within the car. Blimey. What happens if you go on your holibobs and leave your car at the airport for 14 days. Hmmm? Mind you I did see a lot of AA vans at Purple Parking last we were there. I digress.
What I'd suggest is one of those plug in solar chargers to keep it topped up when not in use. My parents keep theirs in the garage so no good to them.
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Last Edit: Jul 5, 2011 8:18:49 GMT by akku
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scruff
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Disconnect the battery when you leave it it'll self discharge slowly but should be OK for 3 weeks. Ideally a battery conditioner (OK it's nearly a charger but can be left plugged in) would be best if you can get to a power socket I use an accumate permanently wired into the Esprit powered by a 240V lead and waterproof connectors. Yes that's a spark plug boot. The cable Fitted, you can't see if from behind at all. The charger Failing that how about a jump pack style booster to get it running that you can charge and then take with you to jump it.
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Last Edit: Jul 5, 2011 11:41:04 GMT by scruff
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Kai
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I'm on a budget of £8 here - hence why i was enquiring about the use of the acid and fresh distilled again Cant afford solar charger at the moment, or a jump pack. The battery fitted does LOOK a little on the diddy size, but i have a big curse word bosch battery (try saying that drunk!) on my VW Golf i could swap it with....but then that'd still leave me the issue of 'to empty and fill' or not!
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If you keep running the battery down and charging it back up it'll soon loose it's ability to hold charge. Why this happens I don't know but it doesn't take that many cycles. I think even over quite a short time the trickle charger / solar charger will pay for itself as new batteries aren't cheap.
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As said, the only real way to maintain a battery that's left for long periods is a conditioner/maintenance charger. I bought one from Halfords and it's a really good bit of kit. I used to leave it plugged into the battery of my Z1 because it was sometimes left for 4-6 months over the winter. Battery was always in perfect condition. The same on my Delica if I wasn't using it, and my Rascal etc...it always kept the batteries in optimum condition. There is no other real solution. Changing the fluids might be a short term fix, but unless you find something to maintain the battery then you'll always run into the same problems. Maintenance chargers fully charge the battery then turn off when max charge is acheived. They then monitor the state of charge and if it drops, it tops it back up and turns off again...ad infinitum. I've got two of these ones (mine are the older casing, but the same charger) www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_210939_categoryId_165629_langId_-1?cm_sp=Intelligent_Offer-_-Product_List_Zone_1-_-Blank&iozone=PLPz1You can also get this one which is cheaper, but not sure if it's better/worse? Never used it myself so can't comment... www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_190498_langId_-1_categoryId_165629I know you're on a budget, but in this case I really think they are worth the investment especially as awattam says, you'll reap the benefits over having to buy new batteries when they eventually give up completely. I've never looked into the solar chargers because any of my motors that are left for any length are always indoors, but if you go that route make sure they have a maintenance function or at the very least, a decent cut-off built in. Overcharging a battery is a lot worse than letting it go flat. A LOT worse! At best you'll kill the battery but you could risk it boiling and expanding/splitting the casing (acid spill) or releasing a lot of gas which could be an explosive risk. Basically, any type of charger should be properly regulated to avoid this and therefore it is often best to buy a decent charger/maintenance charger than saving some money getting a cheap one which could be a false economy and also pretty dangerous.
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Colonelk
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Is the fluid the problem? Thought duff batterys came from sulphurisation on the plates (or something). This is something I'm interested in but haven't had time to experiment with sadly so can't help much :-(
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Kai
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Right! I have news! So...emptied all the electrolyte out...and put in a solution of epsom salts, and distilled water. Left it overnight, rinsed it out with more distilled water. Topped up with a 'ready mix' 37% sulphuric/63% distilled water electrolyte (£1.80 a bottle), and it's on charge now. Went from 10.95 volts before, to even before charging....13.01 volts! On charge now, and it's climbing by 0.01volts every 10 seconds. Going to leave it til it hits about 14.4v, take it off charge, and see where we are FYI - this is a Motaquip VBY32 Powercharge Plus, date of manufacture is 2009! :/
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Last Edit: Jul 6, 2011 10:33:54 GMT by Kai
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I've always wanted to know this, I'm sure the fluid inside will have a little bit to do with it. I've lost so many battery's through recharging.
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Is the fluid the problem? Thought duff batterys came from sulphurisation on the plates (or something). This is something I'm interested in but haven't had time to experiment with sadly so can't help much :-( pretty mutch yes, there is a battery saver charger that pulses a reverse charge through the battery to clean the plates but they cost an arm and a leg, once a battery is flat they rarely recover fully you need something like an optima race cell for tha tsort of thing or a deep cycle leasure battery, allways charge at as slow a rate as possable, old batterys can explode if charged too fast !
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