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Jul 11, 2006 17:00:39 GMT
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In Classic Ford Mag this month, they have lifted a discussion off Turbo Sport forum (never been on yet) Car parts seem to be continally rising like house prices and 'rare' popular retro car prices, we all know about Mk1 Escorts and AE86's! I managed to make a few quid on my capri LSD axle and a buch of Dash panels i had. prices have gone mad and Ebay and the like are being blamed as offline traders also use it as a kind of price guide. not really a fair test at all ebays not really reliable at all. of course the LSD axles go for a bit cos loadsa people want em. other stuff oes up and down though. And if this is the case why is everyone too tight to buy my cossie alloys then! ;D Not 'rare' and desirable enough yet then Hmm, so i thought it may make an interesting copy-topic! ;D
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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slater
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Jul 11, 2006 17:08:35 GMT
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Strange isnt it! what relly gets me is people on ebay will pay more for a 2nd hand part with no guarentee or returns policy than they will for a brand new part from a specilist!!
I came across this phonomenon lots when buying bits for the mini. Nearly every mk1 cooper grille went for within £10 the price of a new one ffs!!
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Jul 11, 2006 17:13:33 GMT
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Yeah I have noticed that too, its the convenience isnt it. probably the biggest 'random stuff' supermarket that you can get to with the click of a mouse. so now a buyer is paying what the daft and loaded people can afford to pay, for the special stuff. Wide x pack for spoke, they are a fair whack. 650 for some refubed ones i saw somewhere recently. oh and a Cossie 3 door splitter, about 900 quid IIRC! FFS thats stoopid!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Jul 11, 2006 17:15:07 GMT
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we have this topic crop up on the imp forum every now and then,all i say to people is do your homework before bidding,i've seen spax shocks for imps needing rebuilds going for more than new spax! some people will pay over the odds for genuinley rare stuff but people with regular stuff seem to believe that its all rare now and price accordingly.
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Jul 11, 2006 17:26:25 GMT
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Theres two things going on.
1. People who are not in the know about retro cars buying stuff as the scene has taken off and people want in, but don't have the background of 10, 20 years pigging about with old bangers so don't know about the "usual" sources so end up bidding against each other on eBay.
2. There was a finite amount of this stuff made and its getting used up. Prices will be driven by supply and demand. Look how the prices of desirable retro cars have gone through the roof (usually the Fords LOL) so if the car's worth the money, you know you can get it back, so you don't mind spending the long cash to get the right parts.
Theres guys getting into it who were into it back int he day and couldn't afford what they really wanted, but can now and theres guys getting into it who are here for the first time and its all new and exciting (and are probably used to the horrendous price of main dealer parts!)
I'm reminded of the classic car boom of the 80s when prices went mental and people were asking crazy money for any old tat. And then the market crashed and there were bargains galore.
One of the best games on muscle car forums now is "guess the stupid price of the eBay auction". Someone spots an old stock part and you all have to guess what the final bid will be. I saw a chrome window trim retainer (a bit of metal about 4" long and .25" wide) for a Baracuda sell for $1700 recently. A new gear stick retaining nut (just a freakin nut, but in a GM supply box) for a Camaro go for $400.
Its madness.
But the "fad" buyers will move on to what ever is cool next in a few years and some guys will be left holding piles of over-valued stuff they paid too much for 'cos that was the "market price" at the time.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jul 11, 2006 17:33:06 GMT
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Yeah I have already ruled out buying a 'muscle car' and hope to move on to plan B before the band wagon gets upto speed!
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Jul 11, 2006 17:35:03 GMT
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the bay thing seems to me (for normalish fad car parts) that people havnt got a clue that scrapyards still exist. i pay for most of my car buying and fixing up through buying scrappy parts and letting dozy/lazy people pay for them on ebay. remember kids and 20 quid weber carb for a golf from the scrappy will get you £65-90 on ebay ;D ;D and long may it last
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"quote hairnet"
I'm not paying nine pound for a pi$$!
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Jul 11, 2006 17:42:10 GMT
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but are the scrappers not wise to this now? ebay is no secret.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Jul 11, 2006 19:22:33 GMT
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it would make sense. Any old tat sells on ebay!
It's a shame because it makes what used to be a cheap hobby now quite expensive. Parts for mine for instance have gone from cheap to ridiculous in the time I've owned the car. I can see it putting off young'uns from the classic car scene, but at the end of the day isn't that why the whole retro thing has come about? I mean retro as post-classic cars, so like mid 70's and on like most of the stuff on here is.
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Jul 11, 2006 19:41:04 GMT
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I'm not in the scene, but beetles seem to be cheaper now, and because of all the popularity theres loads of new bits available for em. whats happening with beetle parts prices on ebay etc? i'd expect them to be reasonable... Jonny69 has a point, kinda why i went with the sierra but some stuff still fetches a bit. Ribbed Ghia lenses used 30quid. Suppose the next thing is 90's cars... hmmm
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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slater
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Jul 11, 2006 20:16:30 GMT
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You have to know whats worth money to make the old scrapyard- ebay trading work. Theres loads of money to be made if you know more than the scrap man
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Snoozin
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Jul 11, 2006 21:42:05 GMT
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We're seeing a phenomenal increase in prices here of selected older Japanese RWD cars, mostly the Toyota's like the KP Starlets, KE20/30/70 Corolla's and their variants, even oddball stuff like TA60/AA60 Carina's are skyrocketing. If it's got a RWD bluetop 4AGE in it coupled to a T50 gearbox, then you can almost name your price and someone will take it off your hands. Datsun's too are affected by the rises, 510's in particular and it's not uncommon now to see someone asking around 4 grand for an unfinished project! I blame in part the popularity of drifting at present, every little 16 - 18 year old wants to go sideways, and since they can't get a loan to buy an S14 Silvia or something they buy the older stuff, and demand/prices are on the up and up. That said, good unmolested examples of some of the cars are getting very hard to get for reasonable money now (I got extremely lucky with my KP61) so it's almost become worthwhile spending the extra if you can. I can't wait til the falls out of the market and I can go back to buying 4K's for $40 instead of $150 for an unknown quantity....
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MWF
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I blame the Internet and car forums. Car parts now have exposure to so many potential buyers, it's only logical they are going up in value.
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You make a good point about Beetles - a lot of the 50s yanks were the big fad a few years ago and prices went mad. Now people are sellinng them to buy muscle cars and the prices have become more reasonable again.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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eBay has a similar effect on everything - been looking to buy a playhouse for our daughter and people are buying secondhand ones for not far short of what brand new ones cost, and then they've got the hassle of dismantling and transporting them.
eBay thrives on competitive spirit, and I suppose a male-dominated area such as cars will get a lot of that. Some people almost seem proud of how much they paid for something. Fortunately my tastes err towards overlooked models where people don't pay much......
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Jul 12, 2006 12:46:15 GMT
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Going back to the scrapyard thing, i was thinking, Generally spaking form some experience; scrapyards and parts shops are not the most friendly/helpful/welcoming places, and as a newbie/outsider or girl, its easy to be patronised or ripped off. So I can understand why people favour Ebay for such things, plus its an all year round autojumble. I never have a wad of notes in my top pocket come show time, but plastic can take some stick online....
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Jul 12, 2006 19:17:56 GMT
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there are a couple of specific dismantlers round our way (stevens for vw) (tbp for fiat) both are properly high prices for some bits but on the up side they always have one. i like going to scrap yards as it gives you ideas while you're there
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Jul 12, 2006 19:32:02 GMT
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Yea. It reflects the general attatchment of society to one fixed outlet. Everyone starts saying "you just go to...(ebay, for example)" to get what you need. No-one then remembers that there are other places that you can purchase the items from, even possibly cheaper than the eBay item! Uncle looking at some West Coast Chopper items that were on eBay, selling for 150-300 dollars, claiming 'ten to twelve week lead time from the shop'. He rang them up and low and behold, 130 dollars and only a 3 week lead time. People forget they can go elsewhere. Sometimes, too, they just don't know where to look
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Jul 12, 2006 21:01:20 GMT
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I never have a wad of notes in my top pocket come show time, but plastic can take some stick online.... lol, I normally take about £300 to an autojumble. I've just joined evilbay this week, but nothing beats seeing the item in front of you, having a haggle and knowing it fits the bill.
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