luckygti
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Jun 13, 2011 21:51:49 GMT
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Just took the Escort for a spin, up to working temp, then stalled it on the way back into the garage  problem is, when I tried to start it again it won't  it literally sounds like the battery doesn't have enough juice to turn it over, but there's plenty of juice. so what's going on, should I get a high torque starter or is there something else? |
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Jun 13, 2011 21:54:47 GMT
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bad earth somewhere, and did it start / cranking fast when you first started it??
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luckygti
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Jun 13, 2011 22:00:58 GMT
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To be honest it pretty much always turns over really slowly. Sometimes it spins up like a 'normal' car when it's warm, but mostly slowly actually it's normally fine after a good run of forty minutes or so. |
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Jun 13, 2011 22:17:03 GMT
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if its a bad earth you can connect a jump lead from the engine to the battery to bypass the earth connection. if it works better then you know thats what the problem is. I had this problem on my polo, it was dropping 0.6V with just the engine running, with the lights and blower on too it was dropping 2.0V
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Too much ignition advance can cause that - if it sparks when the piston's rising it can slow the engine down Perhaps the advance mechanism in the dizzy is sticky if it's an intermittant thing?
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luckygti
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if its a bad earth you can connect a jump lead from the engine to the battery to bypass the earth connection. if it works better then you know thats what the problem is. I had this problem on my polo, it was dropping 0.6V with just the engine running, with the lights and blower on too it was dropping 2.0V Battery's in the boot  I'll give that a try though, so connect the earth direct to the engine yeah? Too much ignition advance can cause that - if it sparks when the piston's rising it can slow the engine down Perhaps the advance mechanism in the dizzy is sticky if it's an intermittant thing? Ok, that sounds like an option. It's got electronic ignition fitted to the dizzy, so how would the advance work? Thanks guys. Pete |
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The dizzy's mechanical (and vacuum, if fitted) advance will still work as normal - it's just that the sensor that picks up the timing is electronic rather than a mechanical switch.
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The problem is likely to be that your battery is in the boot. What size cable are you using? How old is the battery?
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Jun 14, 2011 10:47:16 GMT
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Hey pete,
have you tried to jump it? you have enough cars lol.
if you get it started, chuck a multi meter on it to check the output. should be around 13 or 14. this should rule out the alternator being knackered.
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Jun 14, 2011 10:52:01 GMT
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presuming you've the basics covered like a decent earth & battery cable i'd say timing or engine spec??
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mk14dr
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Mk 2 Escort slow cranking?mk14dr
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presuming you've the basics covered like a decent earth & battery cable i'd say timing or engine spec??I'm gonna go for timing too. I used to have a real ballache everytime I wanted to start escRot, slow cranking to the point that it'd never be spinning over quick enough to actually catch and fire. My battery is in the boot too. I replaced everything trying to sort it, new thick h/duty cable and connections, new earth strap, did all the underbonnet electrics and a new transit diesel battery, still same old bother. Finally checked and reset the timing and alot of my woes disappered. Should've tried that first really  IIRC, aren't you running a fairly hot 2.1 Pinto? |
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could also be a tired starter, how old is it?
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Jun 15, 2011 12:57:47 GMT
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the trouble is sometimes the engine needs or wants the advance when running so with a dizzy you're a bit stuffed!!
i'm not really into it but i think when it's mappable don't they program it for easy start up re: the timing?
my pinto [boxxer's old one from his blue mk1 rs2] was built at 12:1 CR & a [good condition] rs starter wouldn't spin it over at all!! even jumped from a running car it would struggle.
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luckygti
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Jun 15, 2011 15:40:21 GMT
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presuming you've the basics covered like a decent earth & battery cable i'd say timing or engine spec??I'm gonna go for timing too. I used to have a real ballache everytime I wanted to start escRot, slow cranking to the point that it'd never be spinning over quick enough to actually catch and fire. My battery is in the boot too. I replaced everything trying to sort it, new thick h/duty cable and connections, new earth strap, did all the underbonnet electrics and a new transit diesel battery, still same old bother. Finally checked and reset the timing and alot of my woes disappered. Should've tried that first really IIRC, aren't you running a fairly hot 2.1 Pinto? Yep, it is I think it's probably overdue a service and a set up, there's a good rolloing road in colchester that BMW 156 used to get the Chevette set up so I think I'll be calling on him in the next few weeks! Thanks all, much appreciated  Pete |
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problem is, when I tried to start it again it won't 
it literally sounds like the battery doesn't have enough juice to turn it over, but there's plenty of juice. so what's going on, should I get a high torque starter or is there something else?
I'll give that a try though, so connect the earth direct to the engine yeah?
