antdat
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Jun 30, 2006 13:46:01 GMT
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i know it's off topic really for which i'm sorry i'm so angry and not sure what to do. (have added random picture) Last year I had a garage built at the house and at the time I got messed about (as builders do so I have heard)> the garage was finished eventually. During the winter I noticed the roof starting to sag in the middle and thought ok I’ll watch it and see what happens, and in May I found one of the roof support cracked and starting to come away. So as the builder put a 5-year guarantee on the garage I contacted him to explain about the roof (even though I was not really looking forward to dealing with him again) He cam inspected (I had a witness) the roof and agreed it need extra support in so he said he would locate slotted angle to beef up the roof, this was the 19th of may and as of yeast he still hasn't been, Now over the past few weeks I have been phoning him leaving messages etc and not once has he called back I have however received the odd txt here and there. And today I received this please stop phoning me, cannot source slotted angle so have decided to go with plywood, if you could make sure the garage is clear we will be there next Wednesday at about half nine DO NOT PHONE JIM AGAIN Jim I don’t think that plywood is going to be enough to support the roof of the garage (it's 15feet wide and a tiled roof) and the trusses are not strong enough Not quite sure what to do, been trying to call CAB but so far not got through any ideas?
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Last Edit: Jun 30, 2006 13:47:01 GMT by antdat
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little advicearthurbrown
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Jun 30, 2006 13:52:10 GMT
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get down to trading standards,
look through any correspondance to see if he is affiliated to any professional bodies and contact them too.
Sounds like utter honky to me if he can't source some steel to do the job properly. If he offered to guarantee it for 5 years and the work is substandard then he has broken the terms of contract etc.
Make sure that he knows this, but in the nicest way possible... try to keep the dialogue open as long as possible to prevent things breaking down too far.
Also if you could get some decent photo's of the problem area, and have the original plans for the structure that would help.
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antdat
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Jun 30, 2006 14:47:44 GMT
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the plans i have are jsut drawings for planing, i can get pictures of the roof no bother
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Jun 30, 2006 14:54:50 GMT
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Perhaps have a quick chat about it on Sunday. As a garage, did it need Building Regulations?
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antdat
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Jun 30, 2006 15:08:46 GMT
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yes have all the paper work here, can bring it with me if that will help another random picture
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Last Edit: Jun 30, 2006 15:09:33 GMT by antdat
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Jun 30, 2006 16:32:53 GMT
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Bring whatever you have, Drawings, Photos etc Copies as well if Poss And get some measurements of the Timber used for the trusses as well Not a big job to do the calcs based on the size of roof, Roofing material etc Sounds to me like he hasnt done it and has used the wrong size Rafters..... A structural engineers report can be prepared to submit to the court if needs be ;D
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antdat
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Jun 30, 2006 16:50:59 GMT
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rafters are a joke and i know nothing about building, there are 2x1" almost (little under) what other measurements? can get some pict of what ever is needed i'll pop them on my latop and bring it down? have uploaded some pics www.datsuns.co.uk/How2/garage/garage.html the parts you can see are not really on the beams i have put up extra to take that weight
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Last Edit: Jun 30, 2006 17:02:29 GMT by antdat
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Jun 30, 2006 17:59:21 GMT
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Distance between Trusses would be useful as would overall dimensions, span length and Roof pitch ;D
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Jun 30, 2006 18:10:15 GMT
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You got any pictures of the garage.
Was the building inspector coming out to check at each stage.
Should check the depth of founds. Commencement of building. and also give the okay for materials used for the roof and sizes of materials used.
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Jun 30, 2006 18:17:33 GMT
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My mistake seen the pics now. Looks to be too much distance between the trusses looking at that and the style of tiles I would have thought half that distance. One other thing. How much weight do you have hanging off that. In all honesty I wouls have thought that needs taking down and starting again. Just as a comparison with mine. But I didnt use trusses as I wanted a conventional roof so I could fita lift. I used 7x2 for my rafters
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Last Edit: Jun 30, 2006 18:17:51 GMT by PhoenixC
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antdat
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Jun 30, 2006 19:36:48 GMT
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ok think i have what you asked wood used is 35mm x 64mm (for full roof) pitch (i think is) 1270mm (from top of door to peak of roof not)ure if thats correct) there is a total of 8 beams spacing is 1150,1150,1180,1200,1190,1220,100 width of garage from outside wall to outside wall 4572mm length of garage from outside to outside is 7620mm
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Last Edit: Jun 30, 2006 19:38:43 GMT by antdat
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antdat
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never got the chance to speak to you guys about this (also didn't really want to spoil the show talking about my garage problems) Hopefully some of you will still be able to give some advice/help
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little advicebazza2541
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I know if those pictures go to court you will lose, because the contractor will argue that trusses are not meant for shelves and by adding weight to them you compromised their structural rigidity. Guess how I know that :-(
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I know if those pictures go to court you will lose, because the contractor will argue that trusses are not meant for shelves and by adding weight to them you compromised their structural rigidity. Guess how I know that :-( Well I guess you found out the hard way! Trusses are designed to hold a roof up and nothing more, if I'd been the builder I'd have taken a few photos of everything hung off them just incase it went to court to use as evidence. I strongly suggest you remove everything stored there and don't try to use the photos of evidence. With regards to the ply thing then it'll be strong enough as long as a sensible thickness is use but it'll still only be strong enough to hold the roof up!
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Having thought about this a couple of times since reading and seeing pics may I suggest that not only do you not use the photos but you delete them from here! I'm a tradesman, probably IYO overcharging and undeniably unreliable but if I was called back to a job to find a problem due to misuse I certainly wouldn't sort it out for nothing. I've no idea how many peeps read this forum but should you end up going to court (presuming pics aren't widespread) and it was one of my mates that built it I'd print off the thread inc. photos to use in his defence. Maybe I'm just paranoid
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little advicebazza2541
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Thats sound advice. I am in the trade also and the first thing that strikes me about those pics of the trusses is the wat the joist part is bowing down. That can only be due to the weight of the parts on them. Roof forces actually try to keep this part straight (more roof weight= tauter joists in REALLY simple terms). So in conclusion, dump the pics, they are doing you no good at all, and clear all the curse word from in the trusses before the builder cops on.
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antdat
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ah but the shelfs are not on the roof trusses I put beams up to support the shelfs ans the go from wall to wall Also when he spect the garage he was request to put a ptitched roof for storage (the only reason i ahd a pitched roof fitted) I'll remove pics
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Last Edit: Jul 6, 2006 6:34:13 GMT by antdat
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antdat
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Jul 31, 2006 11:13:55 GMT
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little update on my garage, the roof is now supported by aqua props and i can no longer get a car in there the full roof has to come off and all the roof truses have to be replaced (and extrat added) with the 4x2 timber. So far the origonal builder has not contacted trading standards at there request and he was given untill friday last week (i still havn;t heard for sure if i contact by that time). But it looks like i will have to pay to have the roof removed sorted and refited then i will have to take the guy to court to get my money back
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Jul 31, 2006 11:26:32 GMT
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what a balls-up.
If you could round up a few mugs to help you, you could do that yourself at a total cost of about £50!!! If you can convert a 180B to V6 EFi power you can fix a garage roof no sweat.
I've been doing the roof on my barn this weekend, its hard work but doesn't take much brain power.
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